Fergus McCann v David Murray

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How Celtic Turned the Tables on their Glasgow Rivals by Stephen O Donnell:
A Review by Auldheid.

Stephen’s previous publication, Tangled Up In Blue provided a detailed history of the rise and fall of Glasgow Rangers FC PLC from 1872 until their demise in 2012. Clearly a lot of research had been done to cover the period in such detail and his follow up publication Fergus McCann v David Murray etc carries on with that tradition. It is a smorgasbord of a book with many different issues succulently served up in its 350 pages.

It tells of events under David Murray’s tenure at Ibrox which began in November 1988 and ended in May 2011 when he left Craig Whyte holding the rope that became a noose just under a year later in April 2012 when Whyte was found guilty of bringing Scottish football into disrepute whilst Murray claimed he was duped.

Readers of the book will come to the conclusion that if anyone did the duping it was David Murray and it wasn’t just Craig Whyte he duped but Scotland’s national game. If ever Murray were to be tried for crimes against Scottish football then this book would be cited as evidence.

It was against the background of David Murray’s tenure at Rangers that Fergus McCann first arrived on the scene in April 1989 with proposals to inject £17M of New Capital into Celtic that the Celtic Board rejected as per minutes:

Proposals put forward by Fergus McCann to provide finance for various capital expenditures were unanimously rejected by the Directors’; and then again in August of the same year: ‘Mr McCann’s latest proposals were discussed and it was hoped that this was a final discussion on the subject. Latest proposals were rejected by Directors.
Fergus later returned to the fray and the chapter on how he was successful in ousting the Board in 1994 is an informative read, particularly if in that period single parenting cares took precedence over caring for Celtic.

I was amused reading the tale of discontent aimed at the old Board after a Ne’erday 4-2 defeat to Rangers in January 1994 when a bemused Walter Smith was watching the hostility aimed at the Celtic Directors box, one fan in the main stand screamed at him, ‘What are you looking at, it’s got fuck all to do with you.”

For me anyway there were a few “not a lot of people know that” moments like that in the book.
The contrast between Fergus McCann’s and David Murray’s style was immediately evident, but the impact of Fergus’s shorter tenure from 1994 to 1999 became more than evident after McCann left and the author does not miss the role servile journalists played and hit the wall for turning Celtic supporters against McCann during his tenure, whilst they dined on Murray’s succulent lamb. A role that in the end helped bring about Rangers end, but not the culture of servility when covering the activity of Rangers FC PLC successor club from 2012.

Sky TV get it in the neck too and if David Murray played the part of Colonel Mustard in killing Scottish football through his financial recklessness and duplicity, Sky are the lead pipe whose toxicity still dictates the nature of the current state of play.( I said it was a Smorgasbord)

Fergus kind of did what it said on the tin. In his case a tin of nippy sweeties, but it was interesting to read about his early years when even then he was described as “a cheeky upstart” but his “idiosyncrasies” and appearance under a bunnet, disguised a sharp if impatient business mind where for him getting straight to the point was akin to procrastination.

So too has Murray’s early years been covered including his rejected attempt to buy Ayr Utd, a rejection by Ayr Directors, who considered Murray was too hot headed and most volatile, that infuriated him.

Their conclusion that he was trying to get Ayr United on the cheap with only £125k of his own money involved was an indicator of his strategy of using other people’s money to invest and not his own. Other people including unsuspecting taxpayers to a tune of £50 million or so.

As you follow the narrative of both Fergus McCann and David Murray and the events that surrounded them, you end up wondering how so many could have been fooled for so long by one guy, but when you have the Scottish media in your pocket it was difficult to separate fact from fiction during the tenure of both. You also wonder how Murray remains a Knight of the Realm since.

Luckily for Celtic Fergus knew business fact from PR fiction and avoided the illusion in which Celtic’s main rivals continue to struggle to this day.

The great pity is that few, if any of the Scottish main stream media will even give this book a mention, because if you don’t write about it, it never happened, except it did and this book is proof.

I therefore recommend anyone interested in the future of our game buys it and asks, is it not now time to revisit the purpose of Scottish football?

Auldheid

713 COMMENTS

  1. Whereas Messrs  Whitehouse and Clark, the Administrators of RFC of 1872 failed to get that club out of Administration, resulting in its Liquidation, their colleagues in BDO -the Administrators appointed to handle the Administration of Dave Whelan Sports Ltd  successfully brought that company out of Administration as a going concern.

    Full marks to them.

    " BDO’s Graham Newton said: “We are pleased to have achieved a sale of a significant part of the DW Sports business as a going concern, as this will not only secure employment for the majority of employees, but should also result in a return to the company’s creditors in due course.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/24/mike-ashleys-frasers-group-buys-fitness-chain-dw-sports

  2. Cluster One 24th August 2020 at 21:54

    '..Must be why the are being sued.'

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    I must be a wee bit ahent, Cluster One: can you remind me, please: is there still an action against them? I haven't seen anything in recent times that I remember- but the old memory is not what it used to be, and since covid I'm out of the habit of  routinely  looking at the rolls of court!

    BDO certainly intimated that they were going after something like 29 million quid, but that was a good wee while ago and I cannot remember having seen any further development. 

    If easyJambo is looking in he will probably  be more up to date than I.

  3. I could not believe my eyes when I read this morning that 'Lord' ffs George FFoulkes has been appointed 'rapporteur' by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) to lead a 'wide-ranging' inquiry into the running of football across Europe.

    It's a safe bet that the 'inquiry' will not be so wide as to include an investigation into how a new football club can be allowed by its National Association to promote itself  as being a hundred and forty years older than it is and claim in the market place a sporting history of sporting success to which they have no right; or why a national association can with impunity totally refuse even to investigate allegations of being party to a potentially criminal conspiracy to slide European competition monies to an unentitled club.

     

     

  4. Since it's so quiet , any sign of Alastair Johnston's fit and proper clearance ? He was appointed as a director on June 5th , 2017

  5. Breaking News;

    Messi has handed in a transfer request, seeking to trigger a contract clause which supposedly enables him to leave for free, immediately.

    The DR sports headline tomorrow;

    EXCLUSIVE! Gerrard "looking at Messi"

    enlightened

  6. paddy malarkey 25th August 2020 at 21:58

        Let the whatabootery begin .

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        Dunno about whatabootery paddy, but I do know, I know nothing about what will constitute a "Test". 

    Do we try it first, and wait 2 weeks to see if a spike occurs, then contact trace to see if anyone infected was at the game, or in contact with someone at the game?. Is there a base level to compare with, i.e. An average everyday non-attendance risk of contracting the illness figure?. Will transport links come into play?. Should only walking distance fans be admitted? What about car-sharers from the same household?. Should fans turn up with a valid test certificate?. 

        There seems to me to be so very many considerations to constitute anything like a test scenario, other than start with a wee number, and keep ones fingers crossed… A wee number soon becomes a big number when rolled out across multiple sports in multiple stadiums. It all seems a bit guinea-pig. Maybe they could whack some lipstick into fans bulbs while they're at it. 

        Any idea how it works Bud?    

  7. John Clark 25th August 2020 at 12:08

    “….Lord’ ffs George FFoulkes has been appointed ‘rapporteur’ by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) to lead a ‘wide-ranging’ inquiry into the running of football across Europe.”

    Bit of a left field choice. What’s the source?
    I can’t find anything on their web pages.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  8. macfurgly 25th August 2020 at 23:15

    '..What’s the source?
    I can’t find anything on their web pages.'

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    Nor could I!

    It was in 'The Scotsman' this morning under the byline of a guy who used to write for Rangers News (Barry Anderson).

    I emailed to one of the secretaries ( Ms Ivi-Triin Odrats) of the PACE (parliamentary assembly council of europe )committee of which FFoulkes is a member as follows :

     

    "To:ivi-triin.odrats@coe.int

    Tue, 25 Aug at 13:56

    Dear Ivi-Triin Odrats,

    Good afternoon from Edinburgh!

    I wonder whether you can provide some detail, please,  on the proposed Inquiry into Football in Europe that is to be led by Lord FFoulkes?

    Yours in the European ideal,

     

    (me)"

    So far, no reply.

    And there is such a person!broken heart

    Ivi-Triin Odrats – Committee Secretary – Parliamentary …

    https://fr.linkedin.com/in/ivi-triin-odrats-317b6a27

     

     

  9. paddy malarkey 25th August 2020 at 21:58

    Let the whatabootery begin .

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53913896

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    It is madness to allow supporters back into football stadiums just now.

    What message is that sending out.

    It's not just about controlling the people going to the games, or what they do in the stadium, or how they get away from it. It's about people thinking that things are getting back to normal way too early.

    Celtic are wrong doing this. Hopefully the Scottish Government will not allow it.

     

     

  10. John Clark 22nd August 2020 at 09:05
    Separately, on Tuesday 26th, there are procedural hearings in the Whitehouse and Clark cases.

    I hope to get the access code which will let me follow the ‘virtual’ procedure live on the phone.
    …………….
    Tuesday was the 25. Wed is the 26. Did you miss it JC? or is it today?

  11. Cluster One 26th August 2020 at 09:28

    "Tuesday was the 25. Wed is the 26. Did you miss it JC? or is it today?"

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    I think I made a hames of things,Cluster One. I thought it was yesterday, and that I missed it. When I saw your post ten mins ago I checked the Rolls, and lo and behold this is what is there

    "Wednesday 26th August

    Procedural Hearings

    Between 9.00am and 10.00am

    CA9/20 David Whitehouse v The Chief Constable of Scotland &c "

    I tried to explore how to get the access code, but couldn't find how to do that, (On the previous occasion the access code had been given to me by someone else. 

    The case might not, of course, have been deemed worthy of of access by the public, seeing as it was only 'Procedural' business.

    I'll try to phone the Scottish Courts and tribunal service to find out.

     

     

     

  12. I'm sure it's just coincidence that the DR is today leading with a story about Craig Whyte being investigated by the Police – following a "DR investigation"…  

    indecision

  13. Big Pink 26th August 2020 at 11:18

    '..Did you access?'

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    No: I was too late this morning trying to find how to access the access code!

    So I emailed the SCTS to ask 'how to': I got a pleasantly  informal addressed  reply an hour ago the salient bit being:

    "Most Court of Session cases are being heard virtually. If you are interested in requesting access to a specific case please email onlinehearingaccess@scotcourts.gov.uk with case details including, if possible, the Court; date; case name and the clerk. Case information is available on the court rolls on the courts website."

    I've made a note of that email address!

  14. The Celtic request to have a limited number of fans at the game this weekend has apparently been rejected.

    It's a good decision in my opinion, for the reasons I mentioned earlier. There is too much of a risk of spreading the infection and it reinforces the wrong message to an element of the public.

    Football and football supporters cannot be trusted to deal with this properly. 

    That's to say nothing of the inherent unfairness if Motherwell were not also allowed to have supporters (apologies if that was the plan).

  15. H, agreed.

    On the face of it, this CFC request seemed ill-judged / timed.

    Scottish football should be keeping its head down for the duration.

    IMO, it didn’t deserve special dispensation from the SG in the first place to play games – before other sports/leisure pursuits.

    After the AFC and CFC player embarrassments, all the clubs should just focus on keeping their players in check – and meeting their TV deals’ obligations, IMO.

  16. On the Castore situation with the Rangers support.

    It seems that all of the male replica home kit were made in Turkey. The away and female kit was made in China. The latter is of a far higher standard, both in materials and production.

    Everyone including the support, the club and Castore is now aware of this. Though Castore appear to be just blanking it and coming up with cock and bull stories.

    The astonishing thing is that the club are still selling them in the shop at Ibrox, and people are buying them.

    One can't help but think, you are being treated the way you deserve if you are being this daft. They will keep selling you sub standard goods if you just accept it. 

  17. " TWO Rangers administrators have been awarded £600,000 damages after the Crown Office admitted their arrests were "malicious".

    Duff and Phelps partners David Whitehouse and Paul Clark were arrested after the Ibrox club plunged into liquidation in 2012.

    Mr Whitehouse was charged in connection with Craig Whyte's takeover of Rangers a year earlier.

    The Crown Office has now admitted the case against them was unlawful and "motivated by malice".

    The two men are seeking a total of £14m from Police Scotland and the Crown.

    Judge Lord Tyre ordered them to hand over £350,000 to Whitehouse and £250,000 to his colleague Clark.

    It comes after the Lord Advocate’s lawyer Gerry Moynihan QC admitted that every stage of the prosecution of the pair following their first court appearance was unlawful.

    Lawyers said that the human rights of both administrators had been breached during the probe.

    The court heard that the businessmen’s legal teams have been supplied with documents which show senior Crown Office lawyers speaking about the “need to nail the Duff & Phelps people”.

    Whitehouse's lawyer Roddy Dunlop QC told the court his client had spent an “eye watering” £1.8 million on the case.

    He said: "It is nothing short of a disgrace that the government has chosen to act in this fashion towards two private citizens.

    “It is only through the determination of Mr Clark and Mr Whitehouse to clear their names that we have got to this point.

    “The bottom line here is that less wealthy people could never have got to this point. In my submission some award has to be made in this case.”

    And Paul Clark’s lawyer said the matter was “nothing short” of a disgrace.

    Lord Tyre ordered the interim payment to be made after the Duff and Phelps partners won their case.

  18. Billy Boyce 26th August 2020 at 15:34

    Thanks for your post about the Administrators' win.

    If only ra polis could have been  persuaded to investigate one or two other football matters as diligently as they wasted their time chasing those two!heart

  19. Homunculus 26th August 2020 at 13:44

    Football and football supporters cannot be trusted to deal with this properly. 

    That's to say nothing of the inherent unfairness if Motherwell were not also allowed to have supporters (apologies if that was the plan).

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    I think the new normal is that football clubs and supporters will have to accept an inherent unfairness in not having visiting fans at games for some time.

    It has to be baby steps, and allowing large groups of people from other areas to travel to other towns and cities should be well down the line in any plan to reintroduce fans to stadiums.

    If we are anywhere near getting fans into stadiums by the end of October I am hoping the SFA are looking at a plan B to use Murrayfield for the Hibs v Hearts Scottish Cup semi. What reason would there be for having folk from Edinburgh needlessly travelling through to Glasgow in the current circumstances?

     

     

  20. Billy Boyce 26th August 2020 at 15:34
    The court heard that the businessmen’s legal teams have been supplied with documents which show senior Crown Office lawyers speaking about the “need to nail the Duff & Phelps people”.
    …………….
    Oh Dear. senior Crown Office lawyers.
    Let that sink in for a minute….
    senior Crown Office lawyers. Should have removed the blue tinted spectacles.
    Is it any wonder Imran Ahmad knew not to return to scotland to answer questions.

  21. Billy Boyce 26th August 2020 at 15:34

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    The thing is, they were clearly both up to their necks in it.

    The Police have made an absolute mess of this and Crown Office haven't been much better.

    Everyone who has been investigated has walked away from it.

  22. Homunculus @ 18.83.

    These are genuine questions. Not in any way trying to be provocative but as an innocent bystander just asking?

    The thing is, they were clearly both up to their necks in it.

    In what?

    The Police have made an absolute mess of this and Crown Office haven't been much better.

    What were the Police trying to do? A deliberate mess? COPFS ??

    Everyone who has been investigated has walked away from it.

    Surely everyone who has been charged/investigated has been admonished/found not guilty?

    I'm confused. com!!

     

  23. Sometimes we talk on here about a certain club having supporters

    who are gullible. Well Mr Lennon the have a go at my players story

    will not wash. He is inept as a manager. But to try to fool your own

    fans with this nonsense is a disgrace. The heat is not on the players

    Mr Lennon. The heat is on you.   

     

     

  24. For anyone who maybe interested. I still have not had a reply back regarding

    my complaint about the BBC to Offcom. I send emails to them they do not reply.

    Head banging on a brick wall. Something just not right. Citizens rights yes right.

  25. Looking at the reporting about the malicious prosecution against ex-rangers administrators Paul Clark and David Whitehouse.
    Feb 2012.
    Rangers plunged into Administration over the non payment of £9mill in PAYE and VAT . Duff &Phelps are appointed as Administratiors.
    June 2012.
    Charles Green buys the clubs assets.
    July 2012.
    Gers admitted to the Third Division.
    October 2012.
    Rangers are Liquidated on Halloween.
    ……
    Not bad. Not one mythical holding company mentioned.

  26. watcher 27th August 2020 at 14:42

    For anyone who maybe interested. I still have not had a reply back regarding

    my complaint about the BBC to Offcom.
    ……….
    Who do, or do you know if you can raise a complaint against offcom.for their refusal to reply to your emails?

  27. Cluster One thanks for that, no I am not sure what to do now I will try

    a letter and send it special delivery to see what happens.

  28. watcher 27th August 2020 at 17:03
    ………………
    JC May be able to point you in the right direction with that.

  29. macfurgly 25th August 2020 at 23:15

    '..What’s the source?
    I can’t find anything on their web pages.'

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    You might be interested in this, macfurgly:

    I received this reply from the Council of Europe Committee to my query about Lord Ffoulkes' upcoming inquiry into 'Football in Europe':( sadly , not from Ms Ivi-Triin Odrats!)

    "FASINO Roberto <roberto.fasino@coe.int>                                             Thu, 27 Aug at 15:10

    Dear Mr ….

    Thank you for your mail.

    Lord Foulkes has been appointed rapporteur on “Football governance: business and values” and his currently preparing his report on this subject. Preparatory work and working documents are restricted and we cannot really provide information on our ongoing work.

    However, basic information has already been made public by the rapporteur himself. In this respect, please find attached a link with a recent article posted by “The Scotsman”:

    https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/former-hearts-chairman-george-foulkes-lead-inquiry-running-european-football-2951325

    I hope this will be helpful to you

    Best regards,

    Roberto Fasino

    Head of Secretariat, Committee on Culture, Science, Education and Media

    Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe

     

    And my reply (this evening)

    Dear Mr Fasino,

    I'm extremely grateful for your reply. 

    I had actually seen the article in "The Scotsman" , but it was not attributed to any 'source'- and when it comes to newspaper journalism in Scotland, I have found that it can be useful to check the provenance of  any story!

    When I checked the P.A.C.E website I could find no reference to Lord Ffoulke's projected 'Football Inquiry', so I thought I had better check by emailing.

    Grazie tanto, .."

    me 

     

     

     

     

  30. Slight aside…

    Is the 'rookie, Ibrox PR guru' doing a bit of moonlighting?

    That lad Maguire of ManU / England just continues to keep digging a hole for himself, and his 'story' changes on an hourly basis, it seems!  indecision

  31.  watcher 27th August 2020 at 14:42

    ‘…I still have not had a reply back regarding

    my complaint about the BBC to Offcom. I send emails to them they do not reply.’

    “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    It’s a bit much if Ofcom don’t reply!

    The email address of the OfCom director in Scotland is : glenn.preston@ofcom.org.uk 

    If you are sure that your emails were sent, and that there has been no reply that found its way into your spam box or whatever, why don’t you send him a simple, polite wee email telling him that your emails are not being acknowledged let alone answered, and asking whether he can do anything about it?

    He (probably) won’t see your email himself, but one of his people will at least acknowledge it ,unless you’ve been a very bad boy and have been blacklisted! [ no, as a public body they cannot really or easily do that !]

    If you don’t get a reasonable response within a reasonable time [ covid and all that] get your Westminster MP involved, by asking him/her to write on your behalf. That generally works.

    ( An experienced MP will get one of his office staff to fire off something like this:

    ‘ My constituent , ‘watcher’ of such and such an address, has told me that his emails to Ofcom are not even being acknowledged let alone substantively responded to.

    I wonder would you be good enough to have the matter looked  into , and let me know the result’

    Such a letter ( or, these days, email) goes to the top of the heap! [ I know that, from personal experience as a chap who had often to deal with such letters from several MPs, and I don’t suppose that things have changed much in the years since]

     

  32. John Clark 27th August 2020 at 21:38

    macfurgly 25th August 2020 at 23:15

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    Well done for getting a reply. It would appear that the PACE have started taking an interest in football and GF has been handed a seriously broad brief on the basis probably of his experience ay HMFC. Good luck with that one if UEFA, Man. City, PSG etc. are at odds with any recommendations. Worth a go I suppose, if they are serious.

  33. StevieBC 27th August 2020 at 22:22

    "Manchester United captain Harry Maguire told the BBC on Thursday that he feared for his life and thought he was being kidnapped as he was arrested by plainclothes police officers following a fracas on the Greek island of Mykonos."

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    Well, I ask, plainclothes polis attending a pub fight?  Not hardly, (as John Wayne said a few times in some movie-was it 'True Grit'?)

    I think I wouldn't be too ready  to believe that! 

    But perhaps I'm too inclined to believe that the concept of 'policing by public consent ' is not terribly well understood on the 'Continent'.

     That is, there is no notion of 'the friendly bobby' or 'if you want to know the time ask a policeman'. 

    And if guys in suits/tracky bottoms/jeans/ football tops or whatever  turned up to deal with a pub fight and tried to 'arrest' me I think I might offer some resistance, even if they were shouting 'police!' in a foreign language ,or even in English!

    We don't, and won't get to, know the truth  of Harry Maguire's situation;

    any more than we will get to know the full truth about the 'Rangers' saga and the cheating, lying sods in Scottish Football governance until, perhaps, the guilty sods are mouldering in their dishonourable graves, while panegyrics are uttered about how true and respectable and worthy persons they were and how faithfully and honestly they discharged their offices as guardians of the integrity of Scottish Football!

    Makes me boke ( how do you spell that word?) to think of the crap that will appear in the  'obituaries' of those men! Fearful, timid, cowed weaklings without any sense of principle who failed to discharge their bounden duties and allowed the most monstrous sporting lie to be created, fostered and propagated.

    Even now. 

     

     

  34. bordersdon 26th August 2020 at 23:58

    Homunculus @ 18.83.

    These are genuine questions. Not in any way trying to be provocative but as an innocent bystander just asking?

    The thing is, they were clearly both up to their necks in it.

    In what?

    The Police have made an absolute mess of this and Crown Office haven't been much better.

    What were the Police trying to do? A deliberate mess? COPFS ??

    Everyone who has been investigated has walked away from it.

    Surely everyone who has been charged/investigated has been admonished/found not guilty?

    I'm confused. com!!

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    1, Just one part. They sold the assets of a business in administration, or at least made an irrevocable deal to do so, prior to the CVA failing. They did not maximise the available amount for those assets, when the assets were sold they were actually sold to an entirely different business. They even brought  the man in who was going to buy thee prior to the CVA failure making decisions about what was going to happen.

    That's to say nothing of the various documents and even recordings which were made public.

    I believe they were involved in a flawed administration right from the start, with a view to wiping out the Rangers' debts. The original intention was through administration, however in the end they failed and the club is being liquidated. All they could  do was get the bulk of the assets out prior to that liquidation process. 

    2, I have made no comment on whether it was a deliberate mess or not, I have no idea. They did make a mess of it though. If I remember correctly they carried out an illegal search, which was at the very least incompetent. 

    3, I believe a person is only admonished if they plead or are found guilty, it is basically a warning not to do it again.

    With regards someone being found not guilty, people are often found not guilty of something they have clearly done. It is absolutely up to the Crown to prove that someone is guilty. If they make mistakes and the evidence they are relying on cannot be adduced then they are likely to fail. They also cannot lead evidence that is prejudicial, so if someone has a lot of previous convictions for a similar offence they cannot lead that to the jury. 

    If a prosecution does not go ahead it is because Crown Office have decided that they do not have enough admissible evidence to secure a conviction. Or a cynic may suggest that they really don't want a few things coming out in open Court which would cause either them or the Police serious embarrassment. 

  35. John Clark 27th August 2020 at 23:54

    StevieBC 27th August 2020 at 22:22

    But perhaps I’m too inclined to believe that the concept of ‘policing by public consent ‘ is not terribly well understood on the ‘Continent’…

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    Ooft JC!

    … on the day that the Crown Office admitted ‘maliciously’ prosecuting 2 citizens: I don’t know what to think about our very own criminal, legal system. 🙁

    I did watch the Maguire interview – with the sound off.

    He couldn’t look the interviewer in the eye, and constantly looked down and to the side.

    He shrugged a lot.

    Doesn’t mean he’s guilty as hell of course – and can’t help thinking that if SAF was still manager:

    • this incident with the ManU captain probably wouldn’t have happened in the first place

    &

    • Maguire would have received the ‘hair dryer treatment’ and instructed to keep his mouth shut.
  36. Re: the just announced development of Edmiston House.

    Specific details of funding are not mentioned – but I'd hazard a guess that it's a partnership with a third party:

    i.e. it's not an RIFC/TRFC generated development.

    Mibbees another company set up with those providing the funding…?

    [IIRC, does the Ibrox lawyer Blair have personal links to the ownership of Edmiston House?]

  37. Homunculus @ 11.25

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    Thanks for your further thoughts on this. I am still mystified why the police made such a hash of things (eg illegal search) and why the COPFS, in spite of the obvious weaknesses, decided to proceed leading to the humiliating apologies by the Lord Advocate!

  38. On the relationship between the Crown Office and the Police, I give you an extract from a speech[ "The Apex Scotland Annual Lecture by the Lord Advocate, James Wolffe QC on 5 September 2017.] in which the speaker , in describing  that relationship,  quotes Lord Gill (former Lord President):

    "Lord Gill summarised this in the following terms: “In the Scottish system of criminal investigation, the procurator fiscal directs the investigation and not the police. In the early stages of an investigation, the police almost always act on their own initiative; but it is their duty to report on their investigation to the procurator fiscal and to act upon his further instructions.”

    It now transpires that  "the Lord Advocate has now admitted that the Crown, under his predecessor Frank Mulholland QC, acted unlawfully during a substantial part of the proceedings" 

    I find it puzzling, therefore, that "Police Scotland has made no similar admission" 

    That would suggest that the Police believe and can substantiate that belief that all the actions they took in investigating and collecting evidence as to the facts relating to an alleged crime or crimes were wholly legitimate, and taken under the direction of the Crown Office: no malice here, mate!

    Intriguing.

  39. John Clark 28th August 2020 at 16:19

    ================================

    Or they have decided to make no comment at this stage as the Chief Constable is also being sued.

  40. StevieBC 28th August 2020 at 14:33

    ‘..[IIRC, does the Ibrox lawyer Blair have personal links to the ownership of Edmiston House?]

    “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    A wee look at Companies House info:

    Edmiston House Community Interest Company was incorporated on 20 November 2015, number SC520806 

    Its community interest statement has this:

    ” The Company’s activities will provide benefit to  supporters and followers of The Rangers Football Club, Glasgow, by financing, or part financing the refurbishment and redevelopment of the subjects known as Edmiston House and other subjects within the vicinity of Ibrox Stadium…..This will benefit the community by saving an unused building that is falling into a state of disrepair from becoming derelict. This benefits the community as the renovated building becomes a local amenity, and improves the appearance of the local area for residents.

    While the restoration is ongoing, jobs will be created as firms are engaged to carry out the upgrading and redecoration of the building…”

    The statement is signed by one Robert Marshall, and the point of contact is one James Blair of Anderson Strathearn.”

    The company submitted ‘accounts for  dormant company’ on 02 September 2019, and on 06 January 2020 there was a ‘confirmation’ statement, with no updates.

    One Greg Robertson Marshall is a person with significant control. He appears to be the only Director.

    A point of contact for Companies House is James Blair, of Anderson Strathearn LLP (Edinburgh).

    Of course, a community interest company is a ‘not-for-profit ‘enterprise. If the Company makes any surplus funds these, it says,  will be donated to the Rangers Former Players Benevolent Club.

    It is all fairly ordinary , but I wonder: does ‘refurbishment and redevelopment’ include ‘demolition’?broken heart

  41. Thanks for that JC: I vaguely remember that there was discussion on SFM a while ago about this 'CIC' entity.

    I thought they were going to use the publicly owned space across the road from the stadium, (for which they are paying peppercorn rent), as a fans' zone.

  42. John Clark 28th August 2020 at 17:28

    I suspect those are Robert Marshall, who owns The Louden Pub and his son Greg who is employed by Rangers as their Supporters Liaison Officer.

    The club have apparently submitted their plans for demolition of the building.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-unveil-new-ibrox-fan-22593194

    “The club are moving forward with plans to demolish Edmiston House, which sits behind the Copland Road stand.”

  43. Homunculus 28th August 2020 at 18:17

    ‘..I suspect those are Robert Marshall, who owns The Louden Pub and his son Greg who is employed by Rangers as their Supporters Liaison Officer’

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Thanks for that piece of info, Homunculus .

    Looking at the Edmiston C.I.C’s Articles of Association we see this :

    Objects, Powers and Limitation of Liability

    1. The objects of the Company are to carry on activities which benefit the community and in particular(without limitation) to raise money to finance or part finance the refurbishment (my italics) of Edmiston House..

    Powers

    1. To further its objects the Company may do all such lawful things as may further the Company’s objects and in particular but without limitation, may borrow or raise and secure the payment of money for any purpose including for the purposes of investment or of raising funds”

    As said before, I have never been in business and am not particularly clever: but applying my brain ( I am nota  ‘bear’ like Winnie the Pooh, but I may be of ‘very little brain!’) as best I can I conclude this: The Edmiston CIC, under its Director(s) (who will of course be remunerated)  can borrow money from anyone or any institution prepared to lend to it. 

    Would it be safe to speculate  that the owner of the Louden bar might be a lender, on terms that include the rights to run such commercial operations as  are carried out in the new premises and/or  share (with other lenders) in the revenue brought in by the new facilities outlined in the statement– fanzone, concert venue and what-not?

    I don’t imagine that that revenue would need to go to the Rangers Former Players benevolent company??

    ( I’m not having a go at ‘Rangers’ here: just genuinely curious as to how all that kind of thing works: who actually funds the demolition/refurbishment and who gets the ki   pay-back?)

    There must be  a David Low type out there who could explain how these things work?broken heart

  44. Homunculus 28th August 2020 at 18:17

    John Clark 28th August 2020 at 17:28
    ……..
    I take it the Close Brothers loan has been paid of as they held security over Edmiston house.
    The Borrower will not. C. make directly or indirectly make application for planning permission in relation to the property or any part of it or.

  45. " It is certainly reassuring that the Scottish courts have enough independence to allow a case against the head of the legal service, who is also a member of the Scottish Government and the First Minister's Cabinet ,and only now after eight years has the truth begun to emerge"

    (from a piece in the 'Scotsman' today by John McLellan [former editor of 'The Scotsman" and Scottish Conservative Party media chief:]about the Crown Office's 'malicious prosecution' admission)

    How good and right it would be if Scottish Football after 8 years of fostering and supporting the Big Lie that TRFC is RFC of 1872  would acknowledge their Big Lie, and take the necessary steps to restore truth and trust in the governance of the Sport.

    [ McLellan speculates that the Crown Office admission was made is 'so that they could mediate an out-of-court settlement which would no doubt come with non-disclosure agreements.' ]

  46. Cluster One 29th August 2020 at 10:40

    '.I take it the Close Brothers loan has been paid of as they held security over Edmiston house.'

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    Yes, Cluster One: that charge seems to have been satisfied as far back as 15th October 2018.

    "Charge codeSC42 5159 0012

    "Additional transactions filed against this charge

    Type

    Satisfaction of a charge (MR04)15 October 2018 View PDFfor Satisfaction of a charge (MR04) (1 page)"

  47. Unless I missed it…

    after the humiliating admission by the Crown Office to 'maliciously prosecuting' two individuals,

    I've not read of any firings / resignations / suspensions at either the Crown Office or at Police Scotland.

    To admit such incompetence and/or corruption in a Court of law would have been preceded by extremely, lengthy discussions.

    Likewise, you would think that a suitable resignation(s) would have been announced immediately after that Court hearing?

    It gives the impression that those responsible are still in positions of power – and potentially able to repeat their mistakes on other citizens.

    Presumably there will be an inquiry – which will publish its report in a few years time…

    The whole thing stinks.

  48. The commentator on BBC Radio Scotland just mentioned that Rangers went into 'administration'.  Is it BBC policy not to say 'liquidation'?

  49. gunnerb 29th August 2020 at 17:10

    'edmiston house 'charge'

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    Thank you for the correction, an important correction, gunnerb.

    I had gone straight to look at the 'satisfied' charges and saw that Edmiston House had had a 'charge' on it in 2018 [charge ..12} which had indeed been satisfied.

    It never occurred to me to think that TRFC  borrowed from Close Bros again in 2019 putting the same assets in hock ( a bit  like me taking my dad's good suit to the pawnshop more than once!!)

     

  50. jimbo 29th August 2020 at 18:54

    “The commentator on BBC Radio Scotland just mentioned that Rangers went into ‘administration’.  Is it BBC policy not to say ‘liquidation’?”

    “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Yes, it is.

    The BBC were ordered by the then BBC Trust not to use language which would suggest that Rangers FC plc had had to surrender its share in the then SPL , and thereby lost its membership of the SFA and its entitlement to participate in Scottish professional football. 

    It is an absolute truth that Rangers Football Club plc went into Administration and never came out of it. It went into Liquidation, where it still is. 

    To their eternal shame the BBC hierarchy knuckled under to orders .

    They  shouted the Pacific Quay equivalent of ‘Jawohl, mein Führer’, collectively  clicked their heels and immediately set about fostering and propagating the manifestly absurd lie created by the 5-Way Agreement, and ordering (  under pain of disciplinary procedures ) that none of their  sports commentators should ever mention the fact that RFC plc no longer existed ( as even James Traynor headlined) because it had entered Liquidation, or even discuss or allow discussion as to whether TRFC of 2012 foundation could be entitled to market itself (falsely) as being 140 years older than it actually is.

    Currently, on BBC radio 4, the political analysts and commentators make much of Donald Trump as being a liar. 

    If they looked at the crew in Pacific Quay they would see that many of their colleagues are more dangerous liars than any Trump.

    Trump is, as a politician, kind of expected to lie.

    The BBC is not expected to lie, or help others to lie.

    Especially not in a matter  helping a new football club live a sporting lie.

    What might such people NOT do when ordered to lie about really fundamental matters? The same as their counterparts in totalitarian or would-be totalitarian states?

    What else, but do what they’re told, regardless of how untrue?

     

  51. Maintanance and repair

    After writing a long post and my comment appears to be spam and i deleated the whole thing by mistake.

     

     

    gunnerb 29th August 2020 at 17:10

    John Clark 29th August 2020 at 11:42

    Cluster One 29th August 2020 at 10:40
    Feck…
    It shall be an obligation to the debtor
    To maintain the security subjects in good and sufficiant repair to the resonable satisfaction to the creditor.
    …………..
    https://twitter.com/ClusterOne2/status/1299810480278646784/photo/1
    ……..
    Are the ibrox club trying to pass off a makeover for an 8 year club 150 celebrations as a Newbuild for the celebrations and not just part of their obligations as a secured loan to maintain the security subjects in good and sufficiant repair to the resonable satisfaction to the creditor.
    Looks like another con job from ibrox to me.

  52. Cluster One 29th August 2020 at 22:28

    ‘..After writing a long post and my comment appears to be spam and i deleated the whole thing by mistake.’

    “””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Join the club, Cluster One!

     It’s a regular occurrence with me: one false key stroke and f..k it, you’ve got to start again!broken heart

    As to your post, I simply assert that what we have is  an eight year old football club trying desperately to claim the cachet of being the most whatever club of 1872 origins.

    TRFC is , what, 8 years old. It did not exist prior to 2012.

    Its ‘holding company’, RIFC plc, knows, I believe,  that it went to the market on an absolutely misleading Prospectus.

    It is desperate, absolutely desperate, that its pretence to be the Rangers of my grandfather’s day should be accepted by more than the lying BBC and the SMSM generally.

    And I suggest that  the majority of those who were supporters of the Rangers of my grandfather’s day know that there is no such thing as ‘continuity Rangers’.

    Jabba, for one, told them that on Liquidation day!broken heart

     

  53. John Clark 30th August 2020 at 00:07
    Join the club, Cluster One!

    It’s a regular occurrence with me: one false key stroke and f..k it, you’ve got to start again!
    ……………….
    Having a small refreshment never helps the cause either.

  54. The BBC is merely an establishment mouthpiece. Any reasonable and moderately intelligent person, of whatever colour, creed or politics could easily discern that there are actual lies being propagated via the national broadcaster’s airwaves when it comes to Rangers, the Scottish government and Jeremy Corbyn.
    From a football perspective, the lie is much harder to sell, since it is delivered defensively from the back foot, and only Rangers fans have an interest in buying into it.
    In the case of the other, more existential examples, lies are delivered in attack mode. Much easier to sell.
    In any case, we don’t need a stance which necessarily reinforces our own narrative. Just the bloody truth, and more importantly, the WHOLE truth.
    The BBC will never deliver that. There was a time I believed they did. I was mistaken.

  55. Big Pink 30th August 2020 at 10:50

    They really only need the Rangers support to "buy into it", or at least pretend to themselves that they believe the lies. That is where the money and the support comes from. 

    In fact there is an argument to suggest that other people not doing so is helpful, as it builds an "everyone else is against is" mentality.

    After this amount of time has passed attitudes are pretty much entrenched. People believe (or choose to believe) what they, or the group they associate with, believe. It is too far down the line for most people to change.

    The next generation, for the most part, will believe what they are raised to believe. Few will do their own research and go against the grain.

  56. You may be correct Homunculus, but if so, that is a pretty blinkered view of the world they hold.
    I agree it is annoying to hear fantasy repeated as truth, but it is far more annoying to hear folk insistently and relentlessly challenge the fantasy.
    There are no winners in that discourse, only the irritation of those who know the truth, and the outrage of those who need the Earth to be flat.

  57. Big Pink 30th August 2020 at 21:14

    It is interesting that you use the example of people needing the Earth to be flat.

    I think this quote is an interesting and relevant one.

    "Flat-Earthers seem to have a very low standard of evidence for what they want to believe but an impossibly high standard of evidence for what they don’t want to believe"

     

  58. Homunculus 31st August 2020 at 12:13

    "Flat-Earthers seem to have a very low standard of evidence for what they want to believe but an impossibly high standard of evidence for what they don’t want to believe"

    """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

    And ,of course, some people  know the truth but consciously lie! 

    Football punters who lie are one thing:

    governance bodies and national broadcasters which lie are quite another, far more pernicious matter!

  59. Big Pink @ 10.50 et al

    “The BBC is merely an establishment mouthpiece…”

    … and the rest of the Scottish media and establishments, which are driven by a century old (try 16th) anti -Catholic narrative (particularly vitriolic, in more recent times, via The Church of Scotland in the 1920s) – which, in spite of the odd inclusion tokenism wheeled out under the (dis)guise of tolerance and equality, will never change.

    I accept that (although I do hope that the Res 12 guys will prevail regarding the football side of things, and believe that the Sevco financial ‘**** will really hit the fan’ should Celtic win 10IAR).

    On their role in the WATP supremacy ideology, the BBC and others views are not, in their eyes (!) blinkered – as they have 20/20 vision.

    However, on a more optimistic note regarding a fairer (Scottish) society, as my Latin teacher (Tam Lavelle) would say:-

    “Dum Spiro Spero”

  60. bect67 @ 14.55

    —————————————————–

    Oh dearie me! No wonder most of the non Celtic posters have deserted this site?

    I would also love the RES 12 guys to prevail but Celtic PLC will not let that happen! And more importantly I would love to see all clubs, the BB feckin C, the SMSM et al recognise that the Rangers of old are no more but nae chance.  Mammon prevails!

    Whether CFC win 10IAR or TRFC* win 1IAR I really don't care because as I have said many many times Scottish football as a competition has been fecked for many years and I see no way out of it. Back to Mammon I guess!

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