A Lie for a Lie

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The “Lawwell Letter” is trending everywhere this week. To elucidate, it is email sent to (among others) Peter Lawwell and Eric Riley of Celtic on 26 July 2012 by SPL CEO Neil Doncaster.

The email came with an attached copy of the Five Way Agreement (hereafter “5WA”, the deal between Sevco, Rangers, the SFA, the SPL and the SFL). Now that it has been made public, it seems safe to speak openly about what it all means for us as folk who believe in sporting integrity.

I would preface my comments with a caveat though. On the face of it, the Celtic Chief Executive appears to have misled the gathering at the recent Celtic AGM. He was asked by a shareholder if Celtic were involved in the Five Way Agreement. Lawwell replied, “No”, and gave same “No” response to the follow up question, “have you seen it?”

Given that a copy of that email was in the possession of a few folk before that AGM, I have to admit to being surprised by that answer – although even more surprised at the apparent lack of due diligence implied by the lack of knowledge of its content.

We have attempted to contact Mr Lawwell to ask him if he would like to comment on the apparent discrepancy between the evidence and his answer (and I am sure we are not the only ones to have done so). To date, we have received no response. Given the complete lack of acknowledgement of the existence of this anomaly in the MSM, we should perhaps assume that none will be forthcoming.

Perhaps there is an explanation (yes I know), but Celtic should know, like Rangers old and new have come to realise, that silence on these matters breeds deep suspicion and distrust.

Assuming for the minute that Occam’s Razor applies here, there may be an uncomfortable truth emerging for Celtic fans – that Rangers (old and new) do not have a monopoly on dishonesty. There is also an uncomfortable truth that should emerge for Rangers fans too – that as we have said all along, this has never been about just Rangers, but about the governance of the game.

If the Celtic CEO did lie to the AGM a few weeks ago what are the consequences? He broke no laws as far as I can see. One insider I spoke to said simply this,

“So he lied. So what? What happens now? It’s irrelevant”

That is of course absolutely true. As long as controlling shareholders are happy that Resolution 12 is buried, and that no deep inquiry into governance is held into the workings of the game in Scotland, the lie is nonpunishable, though it would be a mistake to believe that accountability is confined only to the corporate rules governing Boards and shareholders; the corporate veil of “I was only following company policy” can be readily challenged in the court of public opinion, which has no statute of limitations.

What all this demonstrates of course is that Celtic have been saying one thing to their fans and shareholders, nodding agreement in private meetings about how appalling Rangers behaviour was, tut-tutting over how amateurish the authorities were, and wringing their hands in frustration at what a sham the LNS inquiry turned out to be.

At the same time, they have done nothing, allowed small shareholders to spend not inconsiderable suns progressing the matter, and quietly hoped that the “appetite” for justice would diminish so they could get back to whatever it is they and the rest do when subject to little or no scrutiny.

Whilst ten in a row is on the table of course, they can get away with it. To Celtic fans right now, understandably, nothing else matters. But what if TIAR is derailed? Not a stretch to imagine that the Parkhead kitchen could get uncontrollably hot in that circumstance. And when the TIAR squirrel finally ends its scurry, in either success or failure, where will the fans attention be diverted?

Perhaps the arrogance that permits making (allegedly) false statements to a general meeting, and (allegedly) misleading shareholders over Res 12 is borne of the knowledge that the parachutes are ready to be deployed when either of the above scenarios come to pass? If TIAR is achieved or goes south, are they already prepared for an emergency exit?

Celtic have two major shareholders whose combined holding is over 50% of the club’s shares. Dermot Desmond and Nick Train. Desmond is now in his eighth decade and Train is reportedly having some business difficulties. Both may well be moved to get out anyway, but fan unrest would make their decision a whole lot easier.

And Lawwell himself is – if you believe the MSM – on the wanted list of nearly as many top clubs as Alfredo Morelos.

The foregoing of course is extremely “Old Firm” centric, and as the two biggest clubs in the country they certainly have the biggest impact on the game, culturally, socially and financially. However there is no get-out clause here for others.

We KNOW there is evidence of fraud surrounding the licencing issue in 2012. We KNOW there is evidence of a cover up over that, and the EBT-related registration issues for Old Rangers. We KNOW that the Five Way Agreement was signed by football authorities in the knowledge that it would rob their own rules of judicial authority with regard to compliance by RFC prior to 2012.

We also know that NOT ONE club has taken a meaningful stand against any of it.

Clubs are saying one thing to supporters and doing their best to derail those supporters’ efforts on the other. We can also infer (not unreasonably) that the folk who run the clubs think that we as fans have no right to interfere in how they run their operations.

As I said earlier, Celtic can do what they like whilst TIAR is live, but afterwards, however it ends, the fans and shareholders involved in Res 12 will still be asking questions. Celtic in particular know how fatal it can be to alienate their own fan base – a fan base that has flexed its muscles with devastating effect for the boardroom in the past. And it is the wrath of the fans of all clubs that will eventually see the charlatans get their just desserts.

Our job as fans is to continue to hold those who care little for the honour and beauty of football to account, to continue to press them on their refusal to deal with arguably the biggest sporting scandal in Scottish history.

The bottom line (which is of course what the folk in boardrooms care about) is this. They need us far more than we need them. As fans of different clubs, the sensibility of those of us at SFM recognises that the real battle, the real war, is not between rival fans or rival clubs, but between the arrogant, self-entitled clique who run our game; who lie for fun, who cheat and belittle the sport; and the good folk who make it possible for the game to prosper.

Resolution 12 is not just about Rangers – nor is it just about Celtic. It deserves to be embraced by every true football fan in the country. The Res 12 franchise needs to widened

Sooner or later the fans will demonstrate their unhappiness with the money men. They did it in 2012, and they will inevitably do so again.

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  1. Ex-Rangers owner Whyte claims DUP offered him peerage for £250k

    Craig Whyte

    Craig Whyte

    By Allan Preston

    February 10 2020 06:45 AM

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    The DUP has blasted a former owner of Rangers Football Club as "desperate" for publicity after claiming that the party had offered him a peerage in return for a £250,000 donation.

    Craig Whyte makes the claim in his forthcoming autobiography Into The Bear Pit, where he alleges "senior members of the DUP" made the offer.

    But a DUP spokesperson said yesterday: "This is absolute nonsense and a desperate attempt to help sell a book. Mr Whyte should name and shame if he's so confident of his facts."

    In 2011 the Scottish businessman bought the club from Sir David Murray for just £1.

    He sold his interest less than a year later for £2 before the club went into administration, and then liquidation.

    During his brief time at the Ibrox club he claimed the DUP were among those after his patronage.

    "It was fascinating to see how people of differing political persuasions had a common cause in their love for Rangers," he wrote.

    "The political reach of the club amazed me. And as a door-opener being the owner of a significant football club couldn't be beat.

    "For example, one of my colleagues at Merchant House, who was involved with the Conservative Party and Democratic Unionist Party in Northern Ireland, said to me: 'You're not going to believe this. I've got a great deal for you. I have been talking to senior people in the DUP and they want to offer you a peerage so you can sit in the House of Lords for them, if you donate £250,000 and hold some functions for them in Northern Ireland'."

    Mr Whyte said he had met "other DUP people" at Ibrox when supporters from here travelled over for games.

    "The offer was on the table and if I had pressed the button it would have happened, but it wasn't something that interested me," he stated.

    "When I look at the influence the DUP now have at Westminster, I think it's funny when you know the type of deals they've tried to make in the past."

    Mr Whyte also claims that Rangers "cheated for years under David Murray" over their use of the EBT tax scheme to pay players.

    He added that there was a failed effort to rewrite The Billy Boys song to remove sectarian lyrics for supporters to avoid Uefa sanctions.

    Belfast Telegraph

  2. On a sliding scale of serious crime where do you rate them?

    Shouting racist remarks from a football ‘terrace’

    Making ‘cut throat gestures’ towards opposition fans, or, officials

    Making gun threat gestures.

    All at the same game.

     

    They all sound equal to me.  But who was charged by Police Scotland?  a 12 year old boy? but not the adults?

    Doesn’t sound fair to me. If I was the parents involved I’d hire a cheap lawyer. Case closed!

  3. Paying for an 'honour' is as old as the honours system itself.

    The Whyte claim is a perfectly reasonable claim.

    …and the obvious follow on question is;

    How much did Minty pay for his 'K' ?  [Allegedly. crying ]

  4. Gordon Brown sanctioned the Honour on David Murray.   Look what happened to him.   The once great Labour Party is now reduced to a nothingness in Scotland.  Tells you everything.  A white washed tory.  The City of London loved him.   Destroyed the pension schemes of millions.   

  5. So that's both Jackson and Traynor who have released personal statements having ago at other people.

    One wonders whether they are using their respective institutions to do it before said institutions have no voice left, or even cease to exist entirely. 

    I suppose it was Jackson who "started it" this time, with his comments about previous bosses. 

    Blaming the delay of the Rangers statement on having to wait until a 12 year old was charged seems a bit disingenuous.  This excuse is the clearly best Jim T could come up with.

  6. We have all read warnings not to comment on cases that are ongoing lest we prejudice them . Traynor has just declared a child guilty of racism before it has been tried in court . The statement tonight was an act of extreme desperation to deflect the mounting criticism on him personally . Nobody is safe from this thug's vitriol , Michael Stewart had him bang to rights , time he was relieved of his duties as he is certainly causing more problems than he is solving. 

  7. Homunculus 10th February 2020 at 21:37

    So that's both Jackson and Traynor who have released personal statements having ago at other people…

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    That will be those 2 literary titans – Keef & Jabba – issuing statements as if they had something of significance to share.

     

    Like 2 jakeys, looking for a square go with anyone – whilst they can barely stand unaided.

     

    We'll all miss their p!sh output when they're punted.

     

    Mibbees.  indecision

  8. I have emailed the offices of The Children’s Commissioner and the Children’s Reporter seeking their views regarding the appropriateness of the statement issued by Rangers FC. I will share any response I receive. 

  9. Timtim

    just read that statement,this bit sticks out

    Finally, Rangers would be more than happy to accommodate the young person involved in this latest incident on one of our courses designed to help people understand why racist and sectarian abuse is unacceptable. Indeed, if any of those journalists/pundits who got it so badly wrong would like to attend we’d also welcome and help them.

    that is going to be a busy course after every game at ibrox

  10. Tony22.09

    Whilst there will not be a criminal trial in relation to the 12 year old who has been charged. The matter is still sub judice and the statement by Rangers is both ill judged and premature. Everybody should be wary of passing comment until the Children’s Panel hearing is concluded.

  11. Ex Ludo 10th February 2020 at 22:44 

    Tony22.09

    Whilst there will not be a criminal trial in relation to the 12 year old who has been charged. The matter is still sub judice and the statement by Rangers is both ill judged and premature. Everybody should be wary of passing comment until the Children’s Panel hearing is concluded.

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    I posted this comment last night about Traynor, and he has conveniently validated it, again, within 24 hours;

    "…he doesn't know what he doesn't know…"  enlightened

  12. I can’t reproduce the actual Twitter message but Graham Spiers hits the target with  this :

    “How desperate must Jim Traynor be to produce this wafting resentment? on the fate of a 12 year old boy? And, believe me, it is Jim, from the tortured syntax and sheer ineptitude with punctuation.”

    Why has the Son of the Manse suddenly chosen to remove himself from Jabba’s Christmas card list?

  13. Cluster One

    Apologies for taking so much time to reply to the Kieth Jackson comment.

    You said Keith just writes what he's told and then a couple of days later Kieth confirms it in his article! I had a good laugh. I imagined you phoning him up and telling what to write so you could say, 'I told you so'. angry

    As for Celtic hoarding cash, I am suspicious. It is unusual for a company to do that. Celtic have had a huge cash surplus for a few years. It makes the Bank money. Not Celtic.

    I follow your argument about the Hotel but would anyone want to build an hotel with their own money? Would it not make more sense to borrow the money and have investment partners? It's cheaper and spreads the risk.

    I talked to Trump about it yesterday, before I woke up, and he assured me he would get that moron at the Daily Wreckhard to write an article on it just to prove you wrong enlightened

  14. Ex Ludo 10th February 2020 at 23:42

    StevieBC@22.53 Ah yes! The Johari Window has been demonstrated once more.

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    Every day a school day: had never heard that term before.

    …so you're implying that Traynor needs a dug…?  

  15. Just when you thought it couldn't get any more bizarre Statement O'Clock comes round again.

    The contents of the Statement raise many interesting points but sub iudice laws and Contempt of Court provisions mean only an idiot would discuss live proceedings. Which brings me neatly to one of the two things which can safely be mentioned. Who is the idiot who penned this? My initial thought was that the author was the man who has just got his BBC apology back from his picture framer but I then re-read it and thought that Chris "Ze List" Graham could well be involved. It's certainly bad enough to be either. Graham Spiers is in no doubt who is responsible (using the word in one of its meanings) and has tweeted naming him. By the time Craig Whyte's book comes out there won't be a journalist left who doesn't have Jabba's teethprints on his throat and vice versa.

    The other thing that can be mentioned is that the Statement ends with a Copyright warning (always sticklers for the law down Govan way) and readers are put on notice Article Copyright (C) 2019. Which means they started writing the Statement on Hogmanay. However I fear this will be the least of their problems.

     

  16. I have to say, hats off to Craig Whyte, which is something I never thought I'd ever have to say, and to use another idiom, he's certainly thrown the cat amongst the pigeons with the release of his book. 

    One could never ask for better pre-release publicity for a book than to have media hacks falling out in print over it in the way we're seeing just now, but I do wonder if Craigie boy will make that much money as a result, as all the juicy bits will be plastered all over social media within days of it's release.

    I also wonder if we'll ever see Whyte being interviewed about his book on TV, or even hear him on radio, having an opportunity to affirm what he says in a way that might beat the standard SMSM/ Ibrox/Traynor censorship? Actually, I doubt he'll ever be given such an opportunity to defend himself, or his book, in this way, for it would reach an audience that no other medium reaches.

    Still, it may be hats off, but zero sympathy from me for the asset stripping rat!

  17. From the Rangers statement

    "The implication seems to be that the fault lies not with those who choose racism and abuse, but with a young immigrant who chose to come to our country. This is a deeply disturbing attitude and that it was actually expressed in a national newspaper defies belief."

    One is forced to wonder about people who came to Scotland, who weren't actually immigrants. Should they just "go home". Is racism and abuse OK when it relates to them and their descendants who were born in Scotland.

    Did someone break irony when I wasn't looking. 

  18. 'The first thing to be made clear is that even though many others commented on the issue of abuse (racial and sectarian) directed towards Alfredo Morelos, Rangers had a duty of care not to say anything that might compromise a live Police Scotland investigation.'

    An excerpt from that TRFC statement that falls, not only into the area of being an oxymoron, but is, unless I'm misinterpreting the meaning of sub judice, breaking the law* it claims to have previously been respecting.

    They seem to fire-fight with buckets of paraffin more often than not, but get away with it because the media are part of the fire. But maybe, just maybe, some members of the media have realised they are about to get burned and are desperate to distance themselves from the ever burning Ibrox fire.

    *But like most laws they break, nothing much will come of this latest careless reaction.

    PS Just noticed, they've referred to the abuse they claim was hurled at Morelos as both racist and sectarian! Well there could only be one area of the crowd that any sectarian abuse hurled at a Catholic could possibly have come from, regardless of the man's colour, or even what team he plays for. I wonder if any media hack will pick up on that!

  19. Homunculus 11th February 2020 at 09:31 From the Rangers statement "The implication seems to be that the fault lies not with those who choose racism and abuse, but with a young immigrant who chose to come to our country. This is a deeply disturbing attitude and that it was actually expressed in a national newspaper defies belief." One is forced to wonder about people who came to Scotland, who weren't actually immigrants. Should they just "go home". Is racism and abuse OK when it relates to them and their descendants who were born in Scotland. Did someone break irony when I wasn't looking.

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    Amazing how they would conflate immigrants*, many who came to our country to escape famine and other horrors, with a man solely here to make lots of money from playing a game and who has absolutely no intention of remaining here once his contract is over.

    He is not an immigrant, under any stretch of imagination. He is just a man lucky enough to be able to ply his lucrative trade in whatever country he can make most money. And then move on to the next.

    * I think we can be pretty certain that this conflating is a deliberate attempt to embarrass Celtic supporters, and the club, by suggesting they are being somewhat hypocritical in the claimed abuse. Another mistake from a PR disaster.

  20. I see John Hartson has posted that his friend and former teammate, Jackie McNamara, has collapsed at home on Saturday with a bleed on the brain. Jackie McNamara was one of those players no other club's supporters disliked, a very good footballer who never did anything to upset opposing fans. Always played, in my opinion, like a gentleman footballer. 

    My heartfelt best wishes go out to him and his family at this very trying time.

  21. Ex Ludo 

    surely this wasn't written by an ex board member who was sacked for being..er…emmm,racist,crackpots

  22. When will football fans and especially those speaking for 'fans groups' acknowledge that all clubs have their share of nutters and the larger clubs, in terms of probability, will have more nutters than others.

    At some point one of these nutters will come and bite you in the bum if you get on your high horse about other clubs. (or if you are on a  high horse someone may come along and punch it!!)

    A wee while back Phil Mac posted a picture of the Hearts 'young team' as justification for his constant jibes that the Tynecastle club are a diet version of the club from Govan. A good deal of lads in the picture Phil chose were not much older than the 12 year old who is being reported as being under investigation for an incident at Celtic Park.

    Hearts fans are well aware of the issues (mostly sectarian singing and flag waving crap, especially outwith the confines of Tynecastle and at away games) caused by a certain group of daft wee laddies. As far as I can see the vast majority condemn such behaviour but there is no doubt a pocket of neanderthals who think its all good fun.

    We of course have to wait to see what comes out of the investigations into alleged racism by a 12 year old but everyone should be worried if it does turn out there is something in it.

    I have seen some commentary on social media that seems to imply because its a 12 year old its not that bad.

    Whether it be a Hoops fan of 12, a Hearts 'young team' member of 15 or 16 or a grown man at Ibrox, football as a whole should be calling them all out, when the evidence is there that racism has occurred,  and this should especially be by the clubs that these people are purporting to support. End of.

    Daft statements from the likes of Club 1872 help no-one.

     

     

  23. wottpi 11th February 2020 at 16:44

    When will football fans and especially those speaking for 'fans groups' acknowledge that all clubs have their share of nutters and the larger clubs, in terms of probability, will have more nutters than others.

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    I was thinking much the same today. If every football club and its supporters looked inwardly and were honest they would admit that some of their fans indulge in abuse or chants that others find unacceptable, or may even be against the law. This could be racist, sectarian, point scoring over the tragedy of child abuse, or focusing on a misfortune which an opponent has suffered in his life.

    That is why I find the attitude taken by Rangers and their fans group in the two recent statements truly baffling, because as a support they have been hugely guilty in the past of all that I mention. Even this season they have had part of their ground closed because of it.

    Thy would do really well to get a new PR firm in with a totally different style. Not only would Scottish football benefit, Scottish society in general would as well. 

  24. My interest in the blog was reignited by MichaelStewartGate.

    Derek McInnes seems to be taking a panning on Radio shortbread. Chris Commons was guest executioner. I presume he was recruited to alleviate the possibility of incriminating fingerprints. 

    A sacrifice is necessary to appease the gods.

  25. Celtic refusing to cooperate with Sky Sports after Morelos mistranslation

    Celtic are refusing to co-operate with Sky Sports as the Scottish champions pursue a full explanation for a mistranslated interview with the Rangers striker Alfredo Morelos.

    In a major embarrassment for Sky, subtitles attached to Morelos, who spoke in Spanish, wrongly accused Celtic supporters of racially abusing the Colombian at the Old Firm match on 29 December.

    Sky’s reporters were not welcome at Celtic’s pre-match press conference for Wednesday’s game at home to Hearts, as had been the case before last Sunday’s Scottish Cup tie against Clyde. Such a move is not typical of Celtic and illustrates the scale of their feeling. The broadcaster faces a race to resolve the matter before its live screening of Aberdeen v Celtic on Sunday.

    After Celtic’s initial complaint, Sky admitted “inaccuracies” in the interview and removed it from all platforms before making a corrected version available. It said in a statement: “After numerous steps undertaken by Sky to verify the interview thoroughly we can be clear that at no point did Morelos allege that any racial abuse was directed at him by Celtic supporters in the interview. We apologise to the supporters of Celtic football club for this serious error. We are reviewing our procedures for translated interviews to ensure this does not occur in future.”

    There was, though, no detail offered publicly or privately as to how this situation arose. Celtic remain angry with what they regard as the unsatisfactory nature of Sky’s response and have reported the situation to Ofcom.

    This fall-out is all the more notable because Sky will begin an exclusive, five-year deal to screen live Scottish Premiership matches next season. Sky did not comment on this on Monday when approached by the Guardian. It has also been approached on Tuesday in relation to its lack of access to Celtic’s media briefings.

    Ofcom is looking through complaints from Celtic supporters as well as from the club. An Ofcom spokesperson said: “We are assessing these complaints against our broadcasting rules, but have yet to decide whether or not to investigate.” This analysis typically takes around two weeks, with any formal investigation then usually completed within 50 working days.

    Celtic have specifically demanded to know who was responsible for the translation. “The use of mistranslation to convey false meaning is a dangerous form of fake news which must be condemned and sanctioned,” said the club’s chief executive, Peter Lawwell.

  26. upthehoops11th February 2020 at 19:39

    Said along time ago, probably back on RTC, that a chance had been missed to bring football in Govan into the 21st Century.

    Unfortunately for all of us the powers that be at both club and SFA/SPL allowed Ibrox to be solidly stuck in the past with all that pent up anger and entitlement along with the old school PR to support them.

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    About Police Scotland and Rangers.

    Anyone  remember PS's behaviour around Duff+Phelps?

     

    "Lord Carlyle said they should not have seized the material as it breached the law".Glasgow Times 

     

    "nevertheless, the level of illegality is such that it can neither be condoned or countenanced not withstanding the relatively  serious  nature  of  the charge"Lord Carlyle.

     

    Police Scotland  have previous  in losing the plot when it comes to matters involving the team which more than half its employees support.

    Nearly 6 weeks after the event? I"ll apologise if I'm proved wrong on this but this 12 yr old wouldn't  exist  if Celtic hadn't  gone to OFCOM. "He"ll" get off with a caution,his job done.

     

     

  28. With all the attention grabbing noise around TRFC’s hapless PR management…

    it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at the Blue Room.

    I’m guessing that the occupants are otherwise focused on more mundane matters – like how to find £10M ASAP?

    indecision

  29. wottpi 11th February 2020 at 21:40

    '…the powers that be at both club and SFA/SPL allowed Ibrox to be solidly stuck in the past .'

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    Another way of putting that, wottpi, is to say that the 'powers that be' created the myth that a club with a very long history but which nevertheless died and now belongs to the past is somehow still alive and stuck in the present!

    I know what you mean, of course. 

    If the SFA and the SPL and SFL had taken a position based on sporting and business  actuality and truth, the death of RFC of 1872 could have been used as a salutary lesson in the need to govern the sport properly, by ensuring that there was no room for lying basterts on club Boards, or collaborators in the SFA with such lying boards( and without independent investigation, how are we to know that there were no collaborators in the Res12 matter?)

    If RFC of 1872 and TRFC of 2012 had each been dealt with as truth demanded, there would have been laid a solid groundwork of Truth and Integrity on which every aspect of the sport as sport, as entertainment,  as honest value for money, as socially useful in  the widest possible sense, bringing huge benefits to large numbers, could have been developed; and while there'rivalry' and perhaps dislike or even 'enmity' may have continued,  these would have been based on sport rather than on race or religion or politics. 

    As is the case in perhaps every other sport in the world!  

    I met 'Rafa' Nadal on one of my trips to Brisbane. Great guy. I've never met Andy Murray. If the two were to meet in competition, my support for Murray would not be based on a 'hatred' for Nadal!

    Watching 'Superbowl'  I took sides, without my support for one team meaning that I was an enemy of the other or the supporters of the other.

    Shouting in support of my granddaughters in swimming competitions does not mean that I wish the other competitors ill.

    But if ,in any of the three scenarios I mentioned, there were to have been  any suspicion of game rigging or fixing ( with or without the knowledge of the 'organisers' ) I would be enraged! 

    As would anyone who is not by nature a cheat-whether , in money dealings,  in sport, or in life in general.

    As ,sadly, so many folk in the governance of Scottish Football have shown themselves to be.

    Stoutly supported by a lying SMSM.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  30. StevieBC 11th February 2020 at 22:46

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    The interim report should be out before the end of February.

    Where is the £10m coming from, though they will probably announce a half year "profit" like last year.  Even when everyone knows football doesn't work that way.

    Where is the promised "investment" in January the support were promised, Alex Rae wouldn't lie.

    Who is replacing the Chairman as he stands down.

    There are a lot of questions to deflect from, sorry answer.

  31. misterlightbulbjoke 11th February 2020 at 22:06

    '…Police Scotland  have previous  in losing the plot .'

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    Speaking as a humble member of the public, who has attended a number of court hearings related to things 'Rangers of 1872', and with no starry-eyed view of the legal profession, I can (I hope safely ) say that if the 'trial' of the Rangers thingymajig had been the theme of a film,  nobody would have thought of it as bearing  any more relevance to truth than a Laurel and Hardy cock-up!

    Or to a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta.

    All fun and laughs, with no serious intention.

     

     

  32. Homunculus 11th February 2020 at 23:16

    The interim report should be out before the end of February…

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    Oh yes, I forgot about that.

    I wonder if the – alleged – robbers also stole King's fag packet?

    The fag packet upon which the highly creative, totally unaudited, interim numbers are scribbled?

    And yes, it's going to be amusing to see how King calculates an 'interim profit' this year – when even the bears must have some awareness of the car crash numbers and the HUGE, SWIRLING RED FLAGS contained in the last RIFC accounts?

     

    And these could be Interims issued for the first time ever by a 'Cold Shouldered' Chairman.

    Another Ibrox world record…?  enlightened

  33. The way things are shaping up it appears that both *Rangers and Celtic are both simultaneously about to fall out with SKY. The question is “Who is going to blink first?”

    It has been long argued that both clubs are mutually dependent and often act in concert to the detriment of Scottish football in general. The current situation following Translategate etc is a test for this point of view.

  34. If what PMGB is saying in his latest blog proves to be accurate, then it looks like Succulent Jim might be sitting down to write his memoirs anytime soon. Might send a few people involved in Scottish football governance in recent years into a bit of a state smileysmiley devil

    Should we start organising the whip-round now? mail

  35. Allyjambo 12th February 2020 at 10:43

    If what PMGB is saying in his latest blog proves to be accurate, then it looks like Succulent Jim might be sitting down to write his memoirs anytime soon…

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    I did wonder yesterday about Spiers sharing an unusually specific/brave Twitter post… as if he knew for a fact that Traynor’s days were numbered.

    And nobody can deny that Traynor does indeed have a fascinating story to tell from behind the lines at Ibrox.

    However, it is also highly likely that he would write a book whose content – much like his PR output – bore little resemblance to the truth!

     

     

  36. I’m sure that there will be a Non Disclosure Agreement element to Traynor’s handshake.
    (Yes you can read that in two ways!)

  37. StevieBC 12th February 2020 at 11:48

    '..nobody can deny that Traynor does indeed have a fascinating story to tell from behind the lines at Ibrox.'

    ++++++++++++++

     I'm no employment law expert, but I suspect that if the Ibrox Board want to get rid of their PR man it will cost them a few bob: if they are legally able to sack him without  risking an unfair dismissal suit, they'll have to buy his silence with a NDA;

    and if they agree to let him go they'll have to agree a parting settlement that satisfies him.

    At all events, it strikes me that the Ibrox board must really be composed of irresponsible and /or  feckless members, to have been so  foolish as to let the PR guru have a free hand in determining  PR policy without Board approval, or, alternatively, to have themselves authorised the statement.

    But then, what's new in the foolishness stakes as far as that Board are concerned?

     

  38. I wonder if the – alleged – robbers also stole King's fag packet?

     

    Am I the only one who imagined the blue collar ne’er do well, exhausted from a hard day’s thievery, calling in at his local shop for a paper on his way home.   And finding his wallet emptied, his cards raided and when he went to vent his fury Yosemite Sam fashion discovered somebody that day had also pinched the bullets out of his gun!

     

    no?  Just me then.

  39. John Clark 12th February 2020 at 12:22

    I may be wrong but I thought Traynor had left an employed role at Ibrox in favour of providing a PR service via his Level 5 Company.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24779284

    If that's the case, there is no contract to be broken, just a contractual one between the 'club' and the PR company. That should be easier to break if it is considered his services are no longer up to desirable or up to scratch.

    Like King and his Chairmanship, he may be portrayed as Rangers PR Man but isn't actually employed or acting in an 'official capacity' for the 'club'. 

    Happy to be corrected if anyone has other information to the contrary.

  40. Wottpi@13.00

    From what I recall Level 5 was launched in some style and were originally based in plush offices in Blythswood Square (on the square, so to speak) Murdo MacLeod featured in photos taken in the office at the launch. There may have been other clients but it soon became apparent that L5 had one exclusive client. JJ reports continually that the office is now situated within the Murray Park complex. Mr Traynor’s employment status is suitably opaque. The Eminence Gris if you will.

  41. Ex Ludo 12th February 2020 at 13:26

     

    Indeed, wouldn't it be a laugh if a certain PR consultant's activities warranted investigation under the IR35 legislation.

  42. wottpi 12th February 2020 at 13:00

    '..may be wrong but I thought Traynor had left an employed role at Ibro

    Ex Ludo 12th February 2020 at 13:26

    '…..Mr Traynor’s employment status is suitably opaque. The Eminence Gris if you will'

    +++++++++++

    Both of you are almost certainly correct in saying that the PR guru is not personally an employee of RIFC plc, but that his company is contracted on whatever basis to provide a PR service.

    The main thing is that ending the contract will cost both parties a few bob  and great embarrassment- settlement and NDA money on the one hand, and loss of  future income on the other, as well as great damage to such residual 'reputation' as either has.

    A marriage made in hell and ending in disaster!broken heart

     

  43. wottpi 12th February 2020 at 14:15

    '..wouldn't it be a laugh if a certain PR consultant's activities warranted investigation under the IR35 legislation.'

    ++++++++++++

    I've just read the stuff on the changes to be made to the 'Private sector off-payroll working for clients' rules.

    For the benefit of others

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/private-sector-off-payroll-working-for-clients

    Very interesting, and I'm always  startled to find out how little I know of  tax laws and rules.And dismayed at how difficult I find it to understand the implications of particular changes or why they are made. I suppose the existing regime gives some sneaky advantage to people, and that HMRC wants to end that?

     

  44. ohn Clark 12th February 2020 at 12:22 12 0 Rate This StevieBC 12th February 2020 at 11:48 '..nobody can deny that Traynor does indeed have a fascinating story to tell from behind the lines at Ibrox.' ++++++++++++++

    I'm no employment law expert, but I suspect that if the Ibrox Board want to get rid of their PR man it will cost them a few bob: if they are legally able to sack him without risking an unfair dismissal suit, they'll have to buy his silence with a NDA; and if they agree to let him go they'll have to agree a parting settlement that satisfies him. At all events, it strikes me that the Ibrox board must really be composed of irresponsible and /or feckless members, to have been so foolish as to let the PR guru have a free hand in determining PR policy without Board approval, or, alternatively, to have themselves authorised the statement. But then, what's new in the foolishness stakes as far as that Board are concerned?

    ____________________-

    And we know there was no approval given (by at least one board member or senior RIFC/TRFC employee)*, because..?

    As you say, John, foolishness (and some even less desirable qualities) is an integral part of an Ibrox based football club's board member's DNA since the days of Craig Whyte, and maybe even David Murray, because even then they just let him get on with leading the club towards liquidation.

    *Or, at least, an instruction to 'just get something out there, and turn the focus onto…'

     

  45. Anent Traynor, whether employee or contractor (I thought the latter)

    Various people on here a bit ahead of things? All based on PMGB's "developing story" which may develop as suggested or end up undeveloped like many others of his. 

  46. Yes I have my doubts about Phil’s predictions too.  But Traynor will go at some point, with all those stories in his loving care.

  47. bordersdon 12th February 2020 at 14:56

    Agreed, however the mutterings of Michael Stewart are correct. The guy is a dinosaur and the club's PR is a disaster for anyone other than the gullibillies who lap such nonsense up.

    Any professional and forward looking organisation would be looking for a change.

    Of course given the current tactics of Trump and Johnson/Cummings some people may think this approach is very clever and goes down well with a certain audience.

    Can't say its to my taste!!

  48. Wottpi@14.50

    IR35 is described in Wikipedia in the context of “disguised employees” This perhaps goes some way to explaining why a face painter was engaged by *Rangers from time to time. 🤡 🤡 🤡 

  49. Ex Ludo,  That Face Painter on the list of creditors is easily the most famous face painter in history.  Mentioned thousands of times.  If I were he or she I would have exploited that by now.  He or she should be the go to facial artist!   Should be a household name!  Maybe said person might consider hiring a PR guru?  mail

  50. bordersdon 12th February 2020 at 14:56

    Anent Traynor, whether employee or contractor (I thought the latter) Various people on here a bit ahead of things?…

    ================

    True.

    I suppose the question for TRFC is: who would they get if they punted Traynor?

    I’m guessing – as a one man band / one client business – he is relatively cheap as chips?

    And it seems that his ‘virtual office’ at Blythswood Square has long been replaced with a desk at Murray Park – i.e. he is a virtual contractor, if not a real contractor?

    For TRFC to bring in a decent, reputable PR outfit would – I guess – cost considerably more?

    And all they really need is an unreconstructed media bully to keep the supine, Scottish hacks in check – nothing fancy required.

    A decent organisation would have dispensed with Traynor’s services long before Lambogate / Transalationgate. [A decent organisation wouldn’t have engaged Traynor in the first place.]

    So, he just might brass neck his way through this latest Ibrox crisis – all of his own making… indecision

  51. I would imagine the statement has Board approval as it is still on the website which means the Board aren't upset with Traynor or that King still has the final say in matters . That is if the Board can contact him seeing he has no phone and his back up laptop was also stolen in the latest robbery. I suppose the old saying "People in Charles Greenhouses shouldn't throw stones" rings true.

  52. Anyone else, like me, hoping that Traynor remains in his guruificence for at least as long as TRFC remains in a different state than RFC?

    He's such a character, he does mke me laugh mail

  53. @AJ 17;44  there have been many characters in Football's longest running Farce that have been box office , Charles Green,Craig Whyte, Pedro , the Magic Hat and of course King himself but Traynor is just plain nasty . This time he may have gone too far and should he fall on his sword I won't miss him , he has been a poisonous element in our game for far too long. Of course the flip side to that is that he is also a negative for Rangers* never more so than now , maybe it's a case of Heads we win Tails he loses. 

  54. Timtim 12th February 2020 at 18:05

    @AJ 17;44 there have been many characters in Football's longest running Farce that have been box office , Charles Green,Craig Whyte, Pedro , the Magic Hat and of course King himself but Traynor is just plain nasty . This time he may have gone too far and should he fall on his sword I won't miss him , he has been a poisonous element in our game for far too long. Of course the flip side to that is that he is also a negative for Rangers* never more so than now , maybe it's a case of Heads we win Tails he loses.

    __________________

    Totally agree with you that he's a nasty piece of work, but I think it's that nastiness that's led, in part, to his complete failure as a PR man, which has done so much to hold back TRFC's progress (if there has been progress). I think hubris and nastiness are good friends and cause blindness to one's own failings and failures. Traynor's greatest failing as a PR man, regardless of how much he knows of the art, itself, is that he's consistently been a part of the story, as he is now, which completely ruins even good PR manufacturing, let alone incompetent PR inventions. 

    I suppose, in this case he's actually turned the attention away from whatever it was TRFC wanted hidden. So credit where credit is due mail It'll probably go down as Level5's greatest ever successangry

  55. With a normal commercial arrangement, one would think that any contract put in place for PR services would have a clause covering what happens in the event that the contractor in some way brings the client into disrepute*.

    In such circumstances the contract may well (should?) have a termination provision that leaves other obligations in place e.g. confidentiality. 

    *I eschew consideration of the ongoing reputational status of RIFC/TRFC. I believe that Mr Archer appropriately summed that up some years ago.

    Scottish Football needs a strong Arbroath.

  56. Imagine a farmer who is in financial trouble  after  the failure of his  crops. Conventional  loans  are  not an option but he does have  one valuable  asset:a shiny  combine harvester.He can't  sell it though as the farm badly needs it.What does he do? He finds someone that  will give him emergency cash and in return he draws up a contract that  gives his funder a 1/3 stake  in the machine.Crops fail again sadly and the farmer needs cash again.He approaches his funder again and offers another 1/3  stake in the combine harvester. 

    PS, heard that after  signing a new contract last March (tough month for football clubs) Alfredo Morelos  is signing another one this February(also a tough month for football clubs).

     

     

     

     

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