Resolution 12 & The Broken Bond

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Celtic Shareholders who put forward a resolution to the Celtic AGM in 2013 are preparing for the 2019 AGM tomorrow and some of their conclusions are reproduced below. Celtic are planning to vote the current resolution of 2019 down after several years of kicking the can down the road after an agreement to adjourn the 2013 motion was agreed at that AGM.

Given the weight of evidence, and the prevarication that has gone on for this extended period of time, you don’t have to be a student of politics to infer that Celtic are failing their own shareholders over this.

There appears to have been, at best, a failure of SFA governance over this issue. At worst? Well that doesn’t really bear thinking about. That Celtic (and other clubs too) have been in possession of the evidence outlined below but have failed to act on it is a damning indictment of the quality of people running our clubs. Peter Lawwell’s words from 2008 about the integrity of competition seem hollow coming from the same lips as the man who has failed to pursue any kind of sporting integrity over upholding the rules of the game.

Of course we are talking about a fundamental difference in how people see the game. There are those of us who (some say naively) consider that upholding the aspects of fair play and competition are paramount, and those who see the commercial aspects of the game as the foremost consideration. A pragmatist might find a way to accommodate both, but there are apparently no pragmatists in boardrooms all over Scotland – just financial accountants.

It would be unfair to categorise the latter constituency as suffering from some kind of character defect of course. Doesn’t make you a bad person because short term financial gain is your thing.

But it puts you at odds with the paying punters – or at least some of them. As a Celtic fan myself, I’m not so sure that I can take any real joy from my own club’s success if I have come to the conclusion that they themselves are happy with a rigged competition. I am not so sure I can credibly throw stones at anyone who is caught cheating when I see that serious evidence of malpractice is being ignored and hidden under the rug by my own club.

I am sure there are those who feel the same as I do. Are there enough of us? Probably not, but the effect of it all from a personal perspective, is that it disconnects me from the process where common goals and objectives are shared between fans, players and clubs. That’s what clubs are for after all isn’t it?

In short, if the game is rigged, there is no common objective.

And consequently, many of us, deprived of that shared mission, that bond broken, will be forced to re-evaluate their relationship with their clubs.

We all have our own thoughts, but the urge to walk away forever is strong with me.

The Resolution 12 Story

In 2012, Celtic shareholders brought a resolution before the Celtic PLC AGM which asked the Celtic Board to refer certain matters to UEFA because they felt that the Scottish Football Association was compromised, no longer fit for purpose in relation to these matters, at least, and had failed Celtic and all the other football clubs in Scotland and in its duty as a Governing body, and it has separately failed UEFA as the Licensing Authority appointed by UEFA to grant licences to play in European Football in relation to Scottish teams.
The actual wording used was as follows;

“This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules Governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note 1), by referring/bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of the Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.”

The response of the Celtic Board was to argue that this resolution was NOT NECESSARY because the board itself had already recognised that there had been failings within the SFA Licensing process, and they were already in correspondence with the SFA in relation to much the same issue.

The difference between the board and the Resolutioners was that the board wanted to continue corresponding with the SFA rather than refer the matter to UEFA or anyone else, whereas the Resolutioners argued that the SFA were hopelessly compromised, were unfit for purpose, could not of themselves remedy the situation they had created, and so wanted to refer the matter to UEFA as an independent and overseeing body whose rules had been flaunted, broken, ignored and to be frank, completely manipulated as a result of SFA inaction and inactivity.

After much discussion between the board and the Resolutioners, it was reluctantly agreed that the resolution should be adjourned and to allow the SFA to be given the opportunity to demonstrate that they could operate as a proper Governing body should and to answer all and any questions put to them via the Celtic PLC board and , where appropriate, the Resolutioners and ,if necessary, their solicitors.
In the interim period, it has become clear to the Resolutioners that the SFA are not fit for purpose, just as they originally argued, and that they are not, and never could have been, the appropriate body to consider and determine the failings in the licensing system that the Resolutioners had complained of.

This is not merely opinion on the part of the Resolutioners but is the determination and judgement of a formally constituted judicial panel appointed by the SFA itself.
The Resolutioners complain that the SFA have failed, and continue to fail in the following areas;

  • They failed to oversee a fair and robust European Licence application process before and after March 2011 in respect of the appropriate season.
    They had failed to mount any sort of investigation despite being contacted by HMRC from 2006 onwards in relation to the unlawful activities of a member club – they should have had a watching brief and requested regular updates from HMRC directly but didn’t.
  • They failed to properly apply the necessary tests demanded by UEFA in considering licence applications, and subsequently, through their then CEO, sought to justify their licensing process and the grant of certain licences on a number of different contradictory grounds – none of which stood scrutiny.
  • They failed to monitor, update their records or make specific enquiries between 30th March 2011 and Mid May 2011 when the list of application grants was formally intimated to UEFA – and by which time there was widespread public rumour and speculation about the state of the tax affairs of a member club together with specific legal documents which outlined that there was indeed a tax bills due which would have disqualified that club from being granted a UEFA licence – had the rules been applied properly.
  • They failed to grasp the situation between March 2011 and August 2011 when the Sheriff Officers were seen arriving at the same club and had still made no enquiry.
  • They failed to carry out any monitoring duties at all post the grant of the licence, with then CEO Reagan telling Celtic that once a European licence was granted – which it was in April 2011 – all further compliance monitoring and any necessary action was the province of UEFA. This was later contradicted by UEFA themselves.
  • They failed to monitor through the June 30th and September 30th, two key datelines specified with the UEFA regulations, and there exists a damning e-mail from one SFA officer to the offending club which effectively says that he hopes UEFA will be too busy to notice the deficiencies in the latest submissions sent by the SFA to UEFA in respect of the club concerned.

Throughout, the SFA denied that there were any failures in their procedures, that licences had been correctly granted, there had been no breaches of the rules and maintained that their procedures had been audited and approved by UEFA during the period.

According to the official UEFA website, no such Audit actually took place with the same website confirming which Football Associations were in fact audited at the relevant time. There is no mention of any SFA Audit.

The SFA claimed that not only was there nothing wrong with the grant of the licence, but that there was nothing for them to report during the post grant period as it was not their responsibility – and then added that even if something had been wrong, or was later found to be wrong with the grant, they could not report the matter to UEFA and could take no action because they were time barred from doing so.
Post the Craig Whyte Trial, where long held evidence was publicly noted and commented upon, Celtic and the SPFL publicly called for there to be a full independent Legal inquiry into all that had transpired during “the EBT years” and all aspects of how what had occurred, impacted on football Governance in Scotland.

The SFA rejected those calls and instead insisted on their own internal inquiry into the UEFA licence process for 2011/2012 – despite previously insisting that there had never been anything to investigate or report to UEFA who had entrusted them with the administration of their Licensing process.

The SFA wrote to every club in Scotland to say they were undertaking that investigation and later publicly announced that as a result of that investigation they had uncovered sufficient evidence to justify bringing formal charges alleging breaches of both SFA and UEFA rules.

This despite denying for a number of years that there had been any need for an investigation and despite reassuring Celtic that their licensing process was robust, had been conducted properly, and had not resulted in any incorrect grant of a licence.

The SFA appointed a judicial panel to hear those charges, determine whether they had been proven or not and then to hand out an appropriate punishment.

That Judicial panel have ruled that legally they (the SFA appointed panel) and the SFA itself cannot bring, hear, determine and act on those charges, nor consider the activities of the football club concerned in any judicial forum, because apparently the SFA had previously decided and formally entered into a contract which says that the SFA will not, and cannot, administer their normal Governmental and Judicial function (which would normally apply to any other club in Scotland and at any other time in the history of the SFA or UEFA) in relation to the acts concerned and the specific football club in question.
Instead, the Panel ruled that the charges concerned should be considered by the Court of Arbitration for Sport as a matter of contract and law – and could not be considered by an SFA appointed panel.
In other words, it has been judicially determined that the SFA cannot as a matter of law enforce its own rules or those of UEFA in relation to one club, and have signed away their entire right to oversee proper football Governance and the implementation of SFA and UEFA rules in this instance.

Further, that contract must have been known to all the appropriate SFA officers who decided and took part in the inquiry that led to the SFA bringing the disciplinary charges – Stuart Reagan, Andrew MacKinlay and Tony McGlennan – and when the SFA rejected Celtic’s call for a fully independent inquiry.

In effect, those same officers mounted their own internal inquiry and brought proceedings which they knew, or ought reasonably to have known, which would end in a legal dead end.
Such a course of action amounts to professional incompetence on a monumental scale – at best!

Further, subsequent SFA officials, assured the officers of Celtic Football Club that following the decision of the Independent Judicial Panel there was no reason why the SFA would not take the matter to CAS and in turn used the officials of Celtic Football Club to relay that message to the Resolutioners in the knowledge, and with the intention, that Celtic PLC shareholders would rely on those assurances and would act accordingly. Those actions and those assurances should now be the subject of a wholly separate inquiry.

Since those assurances were made to Celtic officials, Solicitors acting on behalf of shareholders have written to the SFA on no less than three occasions requesting clarification on what the SFA is doing, whether or not the decision from the independent tribunal advising that the matter should go to CAS will be implemented, and requesting a proposed timetable when this will happen. All such letters have been ignored or avoided by the SFA.
Subsequently, the current CEO of the SFA has stated that whether or not the matter should go to CAS will only be determined prior to Christmas 2019 – some 18 months after the ruling by the independent judicial panel.
This position is a complete volte face from what the SFA told Celtic officials immediately after the 2018 panel hearing.

The conclusion to all of this can only be that the SFA is not fit for purpose and that the governance of Scottish football is so bad, so broken and so far removed from normal judicial and corporate business practice that it must be looked at by an independent body if the matter is not referred to CAS.

Further, all of this must be made public, must be out in the open and must be properly disclosed otherwise any future investment in any club whether by private individuals, stock market listed entities, banks, loan houses, credit houses or whatever is predicated on the wholly fraudulent notion that the SFA will consistently apply its own rules or those of UEFA.

Celtic, as a respected member of UEFA, should not and cannot, stand back and allow this shambolic governance to continue unchecked and without external examination as to do so would be doing a total disservice to UEFA, and such a course of action would potentially make Celtic a party to the entire shambolic administration we have seen thus far.

The resolutioners have stated consistently since 2012 that SFA governance is not fit for purpose and have requested that this entire matter should be referred to UEFA as the overall governing body for European football and as a footballing authority who has entrusted the SFA to oversee the fair application of its rules in Scotland.

Despite what is now accepted as continued and regular SFA failure, that request has met with obfuscation and resistance.

However persistence beats resistance and no matter what the outcome of the 2019 Celtic AGM this is an issue which will not go away and is worthy of consideration and determination in a more formal legal forum.

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    • Cluster One 18th December 2019 at 19:28
    • '..Ps. Has Edmiston House not got some listed status?'
    • +++++++++++++++++
    • That sent me on a second wee search, Cluster One[ I was in Glasgow today pursuing researches into the local history of the Tollcross/Parkhead/Dalbeth area of Glasgow].
    • As a result of the wee research into Edmiston House's listing I felt constrained to write and send this email   to Historic Environment Scotland    
    • "HMEnquiries@hes.scot
    • Dear Historic Environment Scotland,
    • May I point out the need for a little up-dating of the entry relating to the description and relative social and cultural significance of  Ibrox Stadium? The entry in question is to be found on this link

      portal.historicenvironment.scot/designation/LB33338

      In the Statement of Special Interest one reads the following:

      'Ibrox has been the home of the Rangers Football Club since 1887. The Club was formed in 1872 and initially played on Glasgow Green.'

      This sentence has needed amendment since 2012, in which year the Rangers Football Club that was formed in 1872 ceased to be a member of a league or of the Scottish Football Association('SFA) and in consequence ceased to exist as a participant in professional football [just as,sadly, many other of the original clubs in the early days of organised professional football (and some more modern clubs) ] have done over the years.

      It is no longer historically accurate to say today ,or to imply, that Ibrox Stadium is the home of the Rangers of 1872!

      On the liquidation of Rangers of 1872 in 2012, a new club was created. This new club was admitted to the then Scottish Third Division, and on that basis was admitted into membership of the  SFA. The new club was first named SevcoScotland, but the name was very quickly changed to 'The Rangers Football Club'.

      Ibrox Stadium is now the home , not of a 147 year old football club, but of a new club since 2012 occupying the premises used by that now 'In Liquidation' club.  

      I am not a professional historian.

      But I do expect that professional historians will be scrupulously accurate in the matter of ascertainable facts ( otherwise, what is the point?) about which there is no room for doubt. 

      I think HES owes it to itself and to the rest of us to amend the 'Statement of Special Interest' appropriately.

      Don't you?

      I'd be glad to have your observations in due course.

      Meantime, happy Christmas to all at HES,

      Yours sincerely,

      JC"

    • [My researches earlier today involved a wander by the banks of the Clyde with my brother, a visit to our parents' grave, our boyhood playground, a chance meeting with a boyhood friend not seen by me since about 1955-who was able to assist me materially in my researches!
    • And a couple of pints in Sloan's with a quick dash to get to Queen Street station to re-join Mrs C to catch  the 4.15 ( cheap day return!) to Edinburgh. Only just made it.]
  1. Wee discussion on BBC radio Scotland about the BBC , with some plonker talking about 'BBC impartiality.'

     From the way BBC Radio Scotland actively propagandises the untruth that Rangers Football Club of 1872 is the club that has been playing at Ibrox since 2012, I would say that journalists who are prepared to tell untruths in matters of Sport will very likely find it easy to propagandise on behalf of more serious untruths-in the world of Politics and Finance .

     

  2. With reference to my post of 00.04 this morning, I've just checked my inbox .

     HES has acknowledged in a simple, polite and helpful manner, in an email  at 10.13 this morning, my email to them . My email has been passed to the duty officer to review.

    I think that prompt, polite,helpful acknowledgement of communications is worth its weight in gold to any organisation. It instantly creates a favourable impression of the organisation as being efficient, open to discussion and so on. 

    The FCA could learn something from HES!

     

  3. 'FCA could learn something from HES!' I said  in my post of 19th December 2019 at 14:10 .

    I  heard on the news at 12.25 a.m that Mr Andrew Bailey,  CEO  of the FCA ,is likely to be the next Governor of the Bank of England.

    His views on Brexit, it is said, have been of relevance.

    God forbid that the pussy-footing of the TOP around getting someone done for contempt of court, and the inordinate delay in replying to me on the allegation that the RIFC plc IPO prospectus was misleading , should be in any way connected with the 'little Englander' ,unionist, views of the Brexiteers.

    Not that I would assume that Bailey is one of those people who enjoy the ritual of shaking hands.

    But as CEO of a significant organisation, he seems to run a rather loose ship.

     

     

  4. John Clark 19th December 2019 at 13:31

    Wee discussion on BBC radio Scotland about the BBC , with some plonker talking about 'BBC impartiality.'

     From the way BBC Radio Scotland actively propagandises the untruth that Rangers Football Club of 1872 is the club that has been playing at Ibrox since 2012, I would say that journalists who are prepared to tell untruths in matters of Sport will very likely find it easy to propagandise on behalf of more serious untruths-in the world of Politics and Finance .

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    Arguments about alleged BBC bias in their political coverage I will leave to other more suited forums. 

    In terms of their coverage of Scottish football though it is not in my view impartial at all. Their choice of football pundits is and always has been weighted in favour of ex-players who once plied their trade at Ibrox. This simply has to be by design and can never result in impartial coverage. Taking someone like Billy Dodds as an example, who has had a few failed attempts at Management. Every time he fails he gets straight back to the BBC. Likewise with Managerial failure Neil McCann, who when Sky Sports didn't seem overly keen to take him back, the BBC were waiting with open arms. There are regular contributions from Kris Boyd, Derek Ferguson, Barry Ferguson, and most appallingly of all in my view, Gordon Smith, who was part of the board at Ibrox when millions went illegally unpaid in PAYE and N.I. I have no idea what he knew at the time, but he was part of that regime, and in my view is compromised forever. Add to that Smith is actually on record as defending Rangers illegal use of EBT's, with the temerity to use a supporting argument that it gave us a more competitive title fight. Despite all that Smith still gets invited to air his views on the BBC. There is also Steven Thompson and Alex Rae, and the midweek Sportsound presenter is quite up front on his Twitter account about how much of a Rangers fan he is. Add in others to the mix like 'St Mirren fan' Chick Young, and 'Airdrie fan Jim Traynor who for years were allowed to use the BBC as a platform for their biased views. 

    The usual paranoia suggestions will no doubt be made, however one of the BBC's most celebrated commentators, Archie Macpherson, has gone on record several times regarding the pro Rangers bias that existed, as well as anti-Celtic and anti-Catholic bias. When did this all change? Has it ever been stated that it has changed? I remember an interesting programme on a prominent ex-BBC commentator when he retired. He seemed like a thoroughly decent guy, but it stuck in my mind when he spoke of his upbringing and said they could support any team they liked except Celtic. You can of course support any team in the world and be a very good person, but how does one who was told at a young age that one team in particular was off limits, then manage to commentate fairly on that team? I used to listen to this guy and when Celtic scored it was sometimes difficult to tell given the tone of his voice. There are YouTube videos which highlight his muted reaction to a Celtic goal, compared to his reaction to a goal against Celtic, or for Rangers. 

    You could argue a commercial media outlet can go down any route of bias it likes, but not the BBC. My licence fee is as good as anyone else's, but being equal in the eyes of the BBC is where that ends in my view. 

  5. The lesser-spotted SFA CEO has been wheeled out from the bunker. [He must have Christmas shopping to do…].

    From The DR today;

     

    "SPFL clubs 'set for VAR vote' as SFA look to introduce controversial technology

    SFA chief Ian Maxwell will make the request to clubs with referees fearing missing out on major tournaments.

    Steven Gerrard made the call for VAR after Celtic's winner in the Betfred Cup Final was allowed despite Christopher Jullien being offside.

    Referees fear they will miss out on major tournaments if VAR isn't in place in Scotland and Maxwell wants a vote over the next few months.

    …"

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    So, according to this DR mince, Scottish football might be getting VAR because Gerrard wants it in place.

    Oh, and now that the refs have a vested interest to ensure that VAR happens – it will no doubt happen.

     

    And apparently this VAR suggestion has nothing to do with 'the Refereeing Summit' held in Perth last February for all the SPL managers.

    Regardless of the motivation, I just hope that the Hampden blazers manage to introduce VAR in a competent manner…  indecision

     

  6. upthehoops 20th December 2019 at 09:33

    Regarding the advice given on what team to support it would  be simpler if folks followed the advice I gave to my son when he said he wanted to start going to watch professional games.

    Best support your local team.

    In his case he had the choice of Hibs and Hearts and he chose Hearts for his own reasons, nothing what so ever to do with me.

    I am sure there are Hoops fans who tell their kids that the only team they will ever get to support is Celtic.

    Either way, given the nature of football,  its indoctrination into a cult mentality and that IMHO is always unhealthy in terms of not letting kids find their own path.

     

  7. upthehoops 20th December 2019 at 09:33

    Out of the many Ibrox-linked voices on television and radio Alex Rae sticks out like a sore thumb.

    There's nothing wrong with mangling the English language until the point when you are given a job where the only tool in your box is the English language. Billy Dodds employs what I suppose is an Ayrshire use of "y" instead of "of" or "have", as in "Browny Celtic" and "shouldy passed" but this is whimsical compared to Alex Rae's attempts to come across as articulate (cf. Lorry) 

    Leaving aside Mr Rae's many lapses into Glaswegianese, such as when in the middle of some rehearsed pan loaf oration he refers to "the boay let hisself doon", Mr Rae never fails to disappoint when he deliberately uses words which don't mean what he thinks they mean. The other evening I caught ten minutes on Radio Clyde during which time Mr Rae professionally opined that he liked how a player "manipulated" the ball. Unless the player was a goalkeeper that's a foul and possibly a yellow card.

    A few weeks ago I listened to another Radio Clyde programme when, as a conscious effort to fill dead airtime, contributors were discussing long sleeved/short sleeved shirts and the ever important question of the short sleeves and gloves look. Mr Rae was able to elevate the tone of the discussion by informing us that he had always sported the short sleeved shirt because long sleeves made him, and I quote, "claustrophobic".

    There are few qualifications required to talk on radio but the meaning of words should be the least of them.

    John Lambie expressed it well when he delivered either a double backhanded compliment or a triple insult describing one of his players.

    "His problem is his brains are all in his head."

    Not a problem Mr Rae is ever likely to suffer from.

  8. 'StevieBC 20th December 2019 at 09:57

    …Referees fear they will miss out on major tournaments if VAR isn't in place in Scotland and Maxwell wants a vote over the next few months…

    …Oh, and now that the refs have a vested interest to ensure that VAR happens – it will no doubt happen…

    …Regardless of the motivation, I just hope that the Hampden blazers manage to introduce VAR in a competent manner…'

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    Leaving the financial costs of VAR to one side, I think there's a major issue with the implementation of VAR in the Ladbrokes Premiership.

    VAR relies on 'the man in the van' being impartial. That means that he can't favour one club, one player or one official in any situation. That would be very difficult to achieve in Scotland, with conscious or unconscious bias playing a part. Could the SFA guarantee that impartiality, with every 'honest mistake' subject to scrutiny? Could the SFA guarantee that each & every incident within the VAR remit would actually be examined fairly? The use of VAR sets out objective points for examination, but they're still dependent on subjective (human) analysis.

    I'd love to think that the refereeing cadre in Scotland is better than that, but in every match they prove me wrong!

  9. J.J that's a perfectly valid point about impartiality.

    In practice – and with today's communications – 'the man in the van' could feasibly be of any nationality and/or could be physically located anywhere in the world.

    Mibbees that could be a good trade off – and a way to satisfy those who would simply prefer non-Scottish Referees?

    It could be a huge move towards shutting down future complaints about match officiating standards.

     

    Impartial, non-Scottish VAR officials – who can help to improve the standards of our Scottish Referees, linesmen and 4th officials?

    What's not to like…?  indecision

  10. Whats to stop Scottish based VAR operators from having honest mistakes just like the match officials,we would probably need an external VAR operator to monitor the Scottish based operators,I know ,I know,now wheres my replay button.

  11. StevieBC 20th December 2019 at 09:57

    '…according to this DR mince, Scottish football might be getting VAR because Gerrard wants it in place.'

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    Whoever wrote that deserves to be strangled with the last ever copy of the DR, with the second last copy (tightly- rolled) jammed up his fundament, and the third last stuffed into his deceitful gob!angry

    Honest to God, what kind of creatures are they the sports hacks of the SMSM?

  12. StevieBC 20th December 2019 at 12:15

    That's a good shout re independent VAR refs being anywhere in the world as long as they had a good feed and communications for the game in place. I suppose the downside would be the threat of being corrupted by gambling rings etc.

    While opposed to 'privatisation' of the NHS I did hear someone on the radio the other day saying that given the lack of trained radiographers in the UK to resource a 24hr service,  there was merit in firing over the pictures to folk in say Australia or elsewhere who are on duty during their day and alert,  as opposed to having to wait for the analysis or have folks her on-call / over stressed from working excessive hours and more likely to make mistakes.

    I'm sure reciprocal arrangements, be it radiography analysis or VAR, could be made to keep the costs in order.

    There is certainly benefits to be had by working with others as opposed to keeping everything in-house.

  13. wottpi 20th December 2019 at 11:06

    upthehoops 20th December 2019 at 09:33

    Regarding the advice given on what team to support it would  be simpler if folks followed the advice I gave to my son when he said he wanted to start going to watch professional games.

    Best support your local team.

    In his case he had the choice of Hibs and Hearts and he chose Hearts for his own reasons, nothing what so ever to do with me.

    I am sure there are Hoops fans who tell their kids that the only team they will ever get to support is Celtic.

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    The local team argument is a very complex one I would not like to get into. Certainly for someone of my age (57) who was brought up as a Catholic in the West of Scotland. According to official Government statistics, Catholics did not achieve social parity in Scotland until 1993, so it's hardly a shock a lot of them ended up going to watch the same team. 

    In terms of your other point of course many children will still be brought up with little option other than to support Celtic, just like it will be for example in many Rangers and Hearts supporting families. My point was the BBC had a very prominent commentator for many, many years who admitted when he retired that Celtic were not welcome in his household. Many people questioned his neutrality over the years and I have to say his admission may have gone some way to vindicating their views. That does not mean of course he was not a person of sound character who would have harmed no-one, but he was paid out of public money.

  14. Actually, being a realistic Scottish footy fan…

    I suppose the SFA would want some consistency WRT the VAR set up?

    We recently learned that IF Scotland actually qualified for The Euro's next year, Murray Park has already been provisionally booked as the Scotland team base during the tournament.

    So, likewise, any VAR room(s) could very well be based at Murray Park as well… enlightened

  15. On the subject of VAR, I am all for it in Scottish football. I  sure everyone knows there is a far bigger need for it than just pandering to what Stevy G wants. Let the Daily Record put whatever slant they like on it. 

    In terms of who the VAR officials will be, and whether or not they will be impartial, I am quite sure it most likely will be retired Scottish Grade 1 officials. However, to  a man they say they were never biased, and never knew anyone who was biased. What's not to like!

  16. 'StevieBC 20th December 2019 at 12:15

    …In practice – and with today's communications – 'the man in the van' could feasibly be of any nationality and/or could be physically located anywhere in the world…

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    I honestly don't think that our Category One officials refereeing a game in Scotland would accept being overseen (and, on occasion, over-ruled) by officials from another country. Their egos simply wouldn't permit it.

     

  17. Jingso.Jimsie 20th December 2019 at 15:26
    I honestly don't think that our Category One officials refereeing a game in Scotland would accept being overseen (and, on occasion, over-ruled) by officials from another country. Their egos simply wouldn't permit it.
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    To be fair, I doubt very much that any referee association would agree to being overseen or over-ruled by officials from another association never mind foreigners.

  18. I used the word 'over-ruled' in my post of 1526hrs. That was an error.

    The on-field referee is the final arbiter of any decision, including those referred to him/her by VAR.

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    @ 'upthehoops' 1520hrs:

    I don't think that any other country uses 'retired' officials. The FIFA rules aren't clear to me, but it appears that you have to be a currently-listed referee to be a VAR. (FIFA removed the age restrictions on Category One officials in 2015. However, there are extra fitness tests etc. after the age of forty-five.) I may be wrong & happy to be corrected if I am.

     

  19. What would be wrong with hiring some of the crop who are already providing VAR ,with one of our refs beside them learning the ropes and more importantly the standards required ? I still fancy there may be VAR at the Scottish Cup Final .

  20. My view on the VAR question as it relates to Scotland is a simple one.

    Until the SFA apologises to us all for their disgraceful abandonment of right governance and jettisoning of Sporting Integrity in order to save 'Rangers' in 2012 by creating a monstrous lie and undertakes to

     set the record straight by denying TRFC's claim to be continuity 1872 Rangers, stripping RFC of 1872 of all titles and trophies they 'won' while in flagrant breach for years of a fundamental rule,

    open up to external, independent investigation of the allegation that there may have been collusion with RFC of 1872 in a  criminal conspiracy, involving lying to UEFA, in order to obtain monies for RFC of 1872 to which it may  not at all have been entitled

    there can be no trust in any measure the SFA may take with the supposed object of removing doubt and suspicion as regards 'honest mistakes' /incorrect decisions made by officials. 

    That is the damage the SFA has done to itself-totally destroyed any vestige of trust in their integrity unless and until they demonstrate a willingness to correct their grave mistakes.

     

     

  21. 'paddy malarkey 20th December 2019 at 16:47

    What would be wrong with hiring some of the crop who are already providing VAR ,with one of our refs beside them learning the ropes and more importantly the standards required ? I still fancy there may be VAR at the Scottish Cup Final .'

    ##########################

    UEFA runs residential training courses in VAR & you have to be accredited by them to operate as a VAR.  You don’t sit next to someone qualified during a live match & ‘learn the ropes’.

  22. easyJambo 18th December 2019 at 13:07
    ……………….
    Cluster One 18th December 2019 at 18:53
    easyJambo 18th December 2019 at 13:07
    as they fall due. The first tranche of funding is required from investors in November 2019.
    ………..
    as they fall due. The first tranche of funding is required from investors in December 2019.
    ……………. Looking around for answers and have had a little help.
    ……………….
    John Bradshaw
    @JBLuvsCeltic
    ·
    12h
    Replying to
    @ClusterOne2
    Here is why the TRFC accounts only show an additional £6m required for 2019/20 v £10m in RIFC accounts.

    RIFC post balance sheet events have a net £8m received since year end.

    TRFC has received £12m since YE, including £5m from King’s Laird.
    ………………..
    https://twitter.com/JBLuvsCeltic/status/1207924354362724352/photo/1

  23. Cluster One 20th December 2019 at 19:34

    Replying to
    @ClusterOne2
    Here is why the TRFC accounts only show an additional £6m required for 2019/20 v £10m in RIFC accounts.

    RIFC post balance sheet events have a net £8m received since year end.

    TRFC has received £12m since YE, including £5m from King’s Laird.
    ………………..
    https://twitter.com/JBLuvsCeltic/status/1207924354362724352/photo/1

    =======================================

    I'm not sure that interpretation of the post balance sheet events is conclusive.

    The "Going Concern" comments by King and Dickson in the RIFC and TRFC reports respectively are identical barring the substitution of £10m by £6m.

    I don't think that it is clear whether or not the £5m loan facility is part of, or in addition to the £10m/£6m. However, both sets of accounts note that the provision was required/provided in October 

    I can reconcile the £17.2m worth of RIFC shares issued post year end as £8.6m in pre-existing loans converted in August, £7m in new loans converted in September and £2.1m in new loans/cash in November.

    TRFC indicates that they received £7m in capital contributions. That would seem to tally up with the £7m of loans converted in September.

    I don't know where the £2.1m raised in November ended up, although the repayment of £1.7m (in cash?) of loans noted in the RIFC post balance sheet events had to have been sourced from somewhere.  

    What is not in dispute is that the club's progress in the EL will provide substantial income in excess of what they had budgeted in their cash flow forecasts. They only signed Kent after they qualified for the group stages, so those elements may balance themselves. Their subsequent results and progress to the knock out stages must be a bonus. 

  24. Jingso.Jimsie 20th December 2019 at 19:23

    Don't want to get into a spat , especially as I'm slightly wasted , but I was relying on the IFAB VAR handbook , which doesn;t mention UEFA , or any other association ,for that matter . I wasn't being flippant or suggesting a scenrio that merely sitting watching somebody doing their job qualifed  you to do the same , merely that we have to start somewhere , and letting our guys sit beside competent operators of the system now would give them some insight into it's operation – it's used it in England most days now because of Amazon's overkill . I would expect formal training and accreditation prior to it's implementation in the Scottish leagues and cups .Being an international construct , there must be other national associations providing training ,so why must ours be accredited by UEFA ? The stuff Ilooked at – 

    http://theifab.com/projects/vars/background-scope

    https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/newsid=2590884.html

    https://www.knvb.nl/downloads/bestand/9844/var-handbook-v8_final

    That sobered me up !

     

  25. Rangers boss Steven Gerrard blames Hibs bench for sparking angry touchline rammy

    Now , all the videos I've seen show him leading the charge , then seemingly remembering where/who he is , and backing off quietly .

  26. I definitely don't want VAR in the Scottish game.

    Our referees are truly hopeless but i think VAR will just make them worse. Imagine how long the Glasgow derby would take as the ref refers to var for every decision ,terrified to make a mistake.

     

  27. Absolute scenes at Easter Road yesterday evening. I await the forthcoming summit with great interest. Perhaps if VAR was in situ then the kerfuffle involving both sets of coaching staff could be sorted out quickly.

  28. easyJambo 20th December 2019 at 23:30
    What is not in dispute is that the club’s progress in the EL will provide substantial income in excess of what they had budgeted in their cash flow forecasts. They only signed Kent after they qualified for the group stages, so those elements may balance themselves. Their subsequent results and progress to the knock out stages must be a bonus.
    ……………………
    The gamble to sign players you can’t afford to get the club further in europe so that you can afford the players, is paying off for king at the moment.

  29. It's a quiet night on the blog, so I have spent some few minutes having a read at the 'UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill ', which passed its third stage in the Scottish Parliament the other day. 

    What's on the Parliament's website is still the text of the 'Bill' and not yet the text of the 'Act', although I think that what appears on the website is the version of the Bill as passed which will be the 'Act', all and any amendments made earlier having been  debated and voted upon' The link is 

    http://www.parliament.scot/S5_Bills/UEFA%20European%20Championship%20Bill/SPBill54S052019.pdf

    I have a wee personal experience of attempted ticket touting going back to 1966 

    In that year, I was asked to drive my brother , brother-in-law, and brother-in-law's pal to Liverpool to see a match.

    Not having driven further than Carlisle  at that time, I was pleased to agree.

    The three of them had tickets for the game. I did not.(God's honest, I was skint, 'between jobs' and toiling to keep up the payments on the car! God bless my mum and dad [whose grave my brother and I visited the other day]for their patience with me at that time)

    In the days before satnav, you had to use maps, and in cities you thought nothing of winding down (!) your window to ask the traffic policeman on 'points' duty at an intersection whether you were on the right road to, in this case, Anfield.

    The policeman I asked, who bore a striking resemblance to PC Graham in 'Z Cars', very helpfully and cheerfully assured me that , yes, I was on the right road… turn left at the next lights, carry on for a half mile… etc. All car windows now open, we all began to thank him and I prepared to move off.

    And 'PC Graham' bent forward , and genially hoped we would enjoy the game, and just as genially remarked ' ..and I hope you get f.cking beat!'

    Anyway, having arrived at the ground and parked , we made our way to the turnstiles, with my brother saying we might be able to buy a ticket for me. Sure enough , there was a wee guy standing there holding a ticket in his hand, 'ticket here' he said, offering it for sale.

    In a trice he was surrounded by four quite tall ( relative to him) chaps, two of whom were actually quite hard looking ,hard muscled men in the building trade. My brother said 'Let's see the ticket', and more or less snatched it from his hand., and said to me that it was in a different section from theirs, but did I want it? I said yes, and he gave the guy the price that was on the ticket.

    You know, I still feel a twinge of guilt!

    But the memory of that made me think about ticket touting.

    And a possible weakness in the anti-touting law. Shouldn't people who are prepared to pay or attempt to pay  a tout a premium above the face value of a ticket ( because they've got more money than sense) be prosecuted?

    If there were no buyers, there would be no sellers?

     

     

     

  30. Just in passing, can I say that Mrs C and I had a very nice afternoon walking about Princes Street gardens  in and among all the stalls and merry-go-rounds, like in George Square and St Enoch Square in Glasgow . 

    As it happened we bumped into two old friends of ours that we haven't seen for years, beside one  o' they stalls where you throw things to try to win a prize.

    This stall invited you to throw three balls into a kind of narrow-necked bin, about three or four feet distant, to win a big teddy-bear [ no football reference: not much of a market for TRFC in Edinburgh, is there?]

    My old friend and I looked at the charge for the privilege of throwing 3 balls: £4.00!

    And seeing my astonishment , explained that the lowest price any of the stallholders in Princes St gardens paid to have their stall for the four (I think)weeks of the 'festive period' was £10,000.

    And I think to myself: what must the stallholders have to be charging us for anything we buy, if they have to find two and a half grand just for their rent? How many sales of tat and fast food and chair-o-plane rides etc must they make, in order to make any kind of profit? 

    But it is clearly worth their while, else they wouldn't be doing it!

    Call me Scrooge if you like, but really! How stupid we all are when we allow ourselves to be hyped up by hype!

    In the same way as Scottish football governance was so taken in by the hype and threats of CG  as to turn itself into a propaganda machine for (in its own way) as evil a piece of lying as ever came from the The Third Reich!

     

     

     

     

  31. John Clark 21st December 2019 at 23:18

    In a similar vein , we were staying in Tuscany, Borgo a Mozzano , courtesy of (still) friend Marco , and were short of one ticket for our group for the match against Brazil . The worthless SFA had us all over the place promising tickets (some of which had been paid for but never materialsed ) so we went up to Turin on match day in the hope we'd all get tickets . We found out that anybody with a Brazillian passport could buy as many tickets as they wanted from their Embassy ,and the tickets were being sold on with a massive mark up . We did the negotiation in the nearby bar , and the Brazilian guy went to the Embassy , came back with  tickets , and duly ripped us off . Unfortunately for him , he dropped a small wad of notes on the floor , and one of our company duly put a foot over it until the guy departed . We ended up quids in , and enjoyed seeing us lose a game that Brazil wanted to lose , as they feared meeting Argentina in the knockouts , and Argentina duly put them out . Earlier in the tournament in Genoa , we met a group of Scotland supporters who had pooled their spendies to buy a book of match tickets , and were  sellng them on at face value to Scotland fans to defy the touts . They had to be protected by a rolling maul from the Italian police who would have arrested them and confiscated the tickets . The first group march I was involved in was in Turin , as it was the only way to guarantee safety for fans getting to the stadium . As an aside , all the bars were closed to Scotland fans until midnight after the that match , but we'd filled the boot of the car with  cheap beer, and had a swally anyway . I also had the privelige of meeting Fish from Marillion in the said bar in Turin , also looking for tickets , and to my shame , the first words that came out of my mouth were " Yer music's sh*te , big man " . He accepted the compliment graciously !

  32. I see the totally unbiased BBC asked outgoing Aberdeen Chairman Stewart Milne whether Peter Lawwell has too much power in Scottish football. That will be the same Peter Lawwell who wrote to the SFA asking for an independent inquiry to be held into how the SFA handed the Rangers EBT situation. It is also the same Stewart Milne who instantly came out to veto it and tell everyone to move on. The SFA response to Lawwell was basically 'get it right up you, no-one else cares'. Of course we could never expect the BBC to ask any searching questions of that. We can't have anyone getting their apron strings in a tangle can we! 

    The BBC are a disgrace. The power base in Scottish football remains where it has always been, and it certainly doesn't lie with a club that many in Scotland still regard as socially and morally inferior.

  33. Bill1903 21st December 2019 at 08:01

    I definitely don't want VAR in the Scottish game.

    Our referees are truly hopeless but i think VAR will just make them worse. Imagine how long the Glasgow derby would take as the ref refers to var for every decision ,terrified to make a mistake.

    =================

    Sorry Bill, I have to disagree. VAR gets far more right than it does wrong, and not every decision is referred to it in any case. I agree about our Referees being hopeless, but they are not helped by so many cheating players either. 

    On a more controversial note I might soften my attitude to VAR if the SFA introduced a refereeing recruitment policy that is open to all. At the moment it is heavily weighted in favour of Scottish people from Lanarkshire who grew up supporting Rangers. That in itself is not evidence of bias on the field of play of course, but the fact (and it is a fact) that it is the SFA's favoured policy is concerning to say the least. What makes people from that background so much more suitable than non-Scots, non-Lanarkshire people, and non-Rangers fans?

  34. upthehoops 22nd December 2019 at 10:00

    '..the same Stewart Milne who instantly came out to veto it and tell everyone to move on.'

    +++++++++++++++

    A wee song sung by a bare-footed Sandie Shaw in 1967 had the words 'like a puppet on a string' among its lyrics. That wee song just popped into my head for some reason.

    Guys like Milne we can do without , guys who want to bury truth under constant cries to us all to"move on, going forward!" 

    Is there something about property developers?

  35. I was idly wondering which whistler had refereed the most Ladbrokes Premiership games this season. It's an easily found statistic, available at:

    https://www.soccerbase.com/referees/home.sd?comp_id=12

    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/scottish-premiership/schiedsrichter/wettbewerb/SC1

    There's been 111 matches in the competition, overseen by 15 different Category One referees (there are 33 Category One officials listed in the SFA 2019-20 Handbook, BTW. What's 'wrong' with the other 18?).

    That's an average of 7.4 matches per 'utilised' referee. The lowest figure is 3 for Gavin Duncan (and no Premiership match since 09.11.19, although he has refereed two League One matches in the interim) & the highest number of matches handled is 11 by John Beaton, including matches on 04.12.19 & 07.12.19.

     

  36. Regardless of what we think about VAR, it looks like it's coming to the Scottish top flight anyway – because that is what UEFA / FIFA want.

     

    The introduction of VAR could – and should – be the catalyst for a thorough review of the whole match officiating structure, (and its performance and complaints), conducted by the SFA, SPFL, the clubs,

    …and maybe the paying customers could be asked for their opinions as well?  (Too radical?!)

     

    EVERY Scottish football supporter must want the best possible standards for match officials?

    VAR should be an improvement, and more so given time.

    But, VAR should be only one element of a top to bottom review – and change – of match officiating.

     

    …so I fully expect the SFA/SPFL to simply introduce VAR.

    And not just any VAR, but a 'Scottish football version' of VAR.

    You just know they'll cock it up… smiley​​​​​

  37. StevieBC 22nd December 2019 at 13:59

    "…..EVERY Scottish football supporter must want the best possible standards for match officials?"

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Sadly, StevieBC, when the very Governance body  has abandoned any notion of honest governance, it is morally impossible for it to talk in terms of high standards of integrity and competence being demanded of match officials.

    Scottish Football is living a lie: a lie created at the very top and for the grubbiest of self-serving reasons. 

    For as long as they live that lie Scottish Football governance must be viewed as corrupt, and not to be trusted.

    The crass, wicked men who sold their souls to CG/Sevco/TRFC  can be expected to behave like dogs returning to their vomit if circumstances required the creation of another new club.

    Make no mistake about that!

     

  38. Jingso.Jimsie 22nd December 2019 at 11:59

    I was looking at the Transfermarkt link to referees that you posted and noticed in the banner that 167 of 310 players are foreign to our country , 53.9% . I would imagine that a fair number of them would be English . Welsh or Irish , but that would leave a rather large number who aren't qualified to play for the national team . Mibbes after Brexit we could go back to the three foreigners rule or similar to help our players progress . Sorry for the politics . (also that the most expensive player is Mohamed Elyounoussi  at £13.50m . Saying nothing about the record holding champions !).

  39. John Clark
    I have a wee personal experience of attempted ticket touting
    ……………….
    Since it’s quite.
    All the way down to London Docklands, no ticket and had given up hope, last min a big guy got out a car just as i sat down on the pavement. “Anyone want to buy a ticket” Snapped it up, got in and as i sat down the man in the next seat leaned over and asked how i got the ticket for that seat.
    The man had told me he had bought 5 tickets for the family and at the last min his daughter fell ill, So when he parked his car Half an hour ago he sold the spare ticket for face value to someone. I then explained i had just bought the ticket minutes ago from a tout for 5 times the face value, The look on his face.

  40. paddy malarkey 22nd December 2019 at 01:05

    ———————–

    Since it's quiet.

    9 days earlier I found myself in a bar in Rapallo, near Genoa, trying to drown my sorrows after the Costa Rica match with soft drinks. Who should roll up but a seriously inebriated M. Johnston and J. Bett. This was not the time to annoy any of the Tartan Army, let alone the CFC supporters in there. Seeing the way things were going, Bett had the sense to phone the Scotland HQ up the road, and Roy Aitken arrived in the nick of time to summon Johnston. Aitken has a natural air of authority and was the model of decency, apologising to the fans and offering to buy drinks as he huckled a sheepish Johnston off the premises.

  41. We are in the middle of a calm period – usual for Christmas – where little is being said about the corruption, cheating and complicity which is now the norm in our game.

    Sadly it appears to have emerged that more than one club is involved in telling barefaced lies, sometimes to the authorities, sometimes to their own fans.

    I am pretty sure that  evidence of that kind of mendacity will emerge before long. It will then be an opportunity for everyone who insists they are on the side of sporting integrity to walk the walk.

    We shall see.

  42. BTW, Jim Craig has asked me to pass on his Christmas greetings to you all. He got his felicitations in early as he is in New Zealand at the moment attending his son's wedding.

    The SFM mods can wait a little longer until Christmas Eve to emulate and reciprocate.cool

  43. Some people having login problems today. Working on it right now. Clearing browser cache will hopefully sort

  44. Hopefully now there will also be efforts made at other stadia , including at Parkhead and Ibrox , to combat and eradicate this behaviour.  Doesn't happen there , did I hear you say ?

  45.    I will get my Christmas best wishes in early to all on the monitor, mods, & management, as I will undoubtedly be busy or pissed the next few days…..All the best !  

        To all the Italia '90 writers…..We must have been yards from each other at times. Fine memories !. Left with Roughies gloves, from a practise session in Rapallo, and a ba' hoofed at us by Roy Aitken. We gave them to a wee Engerlundish boy, (Scottish da)……..Along wi a few sips of beer when his da wasn't watching.. broken heart 

  46. Hope you and yours all have a great festive season and an even better 2020 !

    We got relieved of some tartan stuff in Turin by locals as Engerland were visiting after us and we were going home , and they wanted them to feel welcome . Left us our kilts though !

  47.     

    paddy malarkey 23rd December 2019 at 20:37. 

         We struggled to get a hotel in Turin, but met a wee Italian wummin frae Maryhill, (back in Italy after divorce). She took us to an hotel on the outskirts where she knew the owners. We only stayed 3 or 4 nights, but she came down every morning before work to cook us a "Scottish breakfast". Italian sausage, baconny ham and egg swimming in olive oil…..

         Had to force it down, but the hotel was chokka with Brazilians, so it was worth it. She got our jerseys for her sons before we left.

        I was a lot more innocent then than now, and won't go out of my way to watch them on the telly now. 

        A shame really, but I just can't bring myself to follow what I consider to be the "SFA team".   

  48. I sometimes wonder at the language I have used in some of my posts on the blog.

    On occasion, I have felt that it may have bordered on the harshly intemperate and possibly may have been seen by some as being unnecessarily vitriolic.

    But harsh words in defence of Truth against the inveterate  unrepentant  denial of truth by men who know they are liars does no harm equal to the the harm that Lies have done to Scottish Football.

    The very second that any one of the liars involved in the 5-way Agreement and the nonsense of 'continuity-after-Liquidation-Rangers' confesses openly to the lies, I will embrace him as a brother, all ill-will dispelled….conditional of course on appropriate governance action being taken to have the Truth simply acknowledged and record books etc put to rights.

    It is almost certain that not one TRFC supporter's season book would be torn up, and not one walk-up's gate money would be lost, if it were to be publicly acknowledged that TRFC is NOT RFC of 1872.

    The mental and emotional gymnastics that at present allow the 'Rangers' support to delude themselves would not, perhaps,  be altered: but no one cares what their delusions may be,  as long as 'Official' Football recognises that RFC of 1872 is no more and that TRFC has won nothing in its short life other than the 3rd and 2nd divisions'  and the championship's league flags.

    But I wish even the families of the 'Liars'  as well as  the general run of TRFC fans, as ordinary human beings,  as happy and innocent a  time of family peace and joy over the next few days as  I hope to have. 

    And, of course, it goes without saying that I wish the same in spades for my fellow-posters on this sfm.scot blog!

     

     

  49. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/hibs-hailed-for-identifying-rangers-missile-throwers-as-neil-doncaster-condemns-incident/ar-BBYhNQe?ocid=spartandhp

    "…And SPFL chief executive Doncaster has gave credit to the home side for swiftly addressing the issue as he branded the behaviour 'unacceptable'."

    Mr Doncaster, none better, knows that there are other things done, not by isolated 'fans' in the heat of the moment, but by coldly calculating , lying, besuited executives sitting in Board rooms around the country and/or on the Sixth Floor at Hampden, that are even more unacceptable.

    And we will not forget just who was in the middle of it all.

    There were two CEOs.

    One had to go.

    The other must surely follow!

  50. Corrupt official 23rd December 2019 at 22:17

     Like yourselves , we found ourselves without accomodation . We had an hotel reservation in Alessandria, but there were folks in our rooms that had paid fortunes by the time we arrived . So it was a long drive down the coastal road (soberest driving , wrang side of the road , lots of tunnels with the occasional sight of the sea .) I was co pilot and kept dropping off .  How the driver managed is beyond me . Anyhoo , we arrived back in Borgo about daybreak . The next bit might be hallucination , but we dumped the car , and me and the driver crossed the river and went for a stroll in the absolutely gorgeous dawn , with a couple of beers and some herbal cigarettes ( which were legal up until the week before we arrived ! ) . A big black limo pulled up beside us at Ponte della Maddalena (or the Devil's Bridge) and a back window rolled down . A Scottish voice asked " Are you alright , lads ? " , us stoating about in the middle of nowhere in kilts and tops . My mate replied "Aye , we stay ower there ." There was mirth in the motor as it left us , and I'll swear that it was Andy Roxburgh's wee wizened face laughing at us . If he looks in , he could mibbes confirm , but I am certain ! There's tons more from that trip , which is why I'd like to see us qualify for tournament finals again -what a life experience . And if you ever find yourself in Tuscanny , visit Borgo a Mozzano – absolutely beautiful with the loveliest people you could wish to meet .In my cups so might be a bit maudlin !

  51. Not that  I in any way condone the bottle thrower's action, of course( my post of 00.34 above)- I'd deal with him as I would deal with any pyrotechnic idiot and would-be criminal assaulter.

    But the men in suits, the greedy, grasping leeches who coldly and calmly sell their personal moral integrity and the very concept of sporting integrity  for profit's sake are more evil and wicked than some terracing lout.

    And much more damaging to the rest of us.

     

     

     

     

  52. paddy malarkey 24th December 2019 at 00:58

    '…In my cups so might be a bit maudlin !.'

    +++++++++++

    Not at all! 

    Those were good days, days when we respected Scottish Football , and were respected in world football.

    And you capture that wonderful feeling of solidarity that I felt decades before you with a Scotland team abroad.

    A lovely story, well told, if I my say so.

     

     

  53. John Clark 24th December 2019 at 01:05

    They'll be loving this in the Hampden bunker , idiots taking the heat off them and turning scrutiny in a different direction . You sometimes wonder if some of this isn't orchestrated , just filtered down to base level . Too convenient for me , sometimes .

  54. John Clark 24th December 2019 at 01:16

    Cheers , JC . Unfortunately , these clowns have ripped the soul from Scottish football , in pursuit of their dream business landscape . Imo , the same sh*t is happening at Parkhead and Ibrox , fans being sold a pup but expected to pay for it's upkeep .

  55. Sorry , wasn't allowed to edit the last post (if only for the SFA ! ) . Was meant to end " and that of it's previous owners " , if that makes sense ! It's like the RFC ans who have now aligned themselves with TRFC – they need something to support . Same with me supporting Thistle and Scotland – it's in the blood and you'll do it regardless of what people think of you . These parasites know that and are willing to suck you dry .

  56. “English football’s racism crisis took a new twist…”

    ”Rangers announce new partnership with Orange County SC”

    “Covert, racially biased decisions are often hidden or rationalised with an explanation that society is more willing to accept”

     

  57. paddy malarkey 24th December 2019 at 01:20

    '..You sometimes wonder if some of this isn't orchestrated , '

    ++++++

    There is no doubt in my mind  that  among the ordinary flow of discussion on the sfm.blog diversionary posts are put in ( as Putin's folk would do!) to take people's attention away from the lies.

    The baddies know first, that they are baddies,  and second, that we know that they are baddies!

    They are on the defensive, arguing a case that they themselves know to be nonsense. They know the reach that this blog has as a forum for truth telling. 

    Try as  any lying lawyer (called out by a Judge as such ) or any of his masters or the PR people for his(and their ) masters may to prevent it, the actual truth remains the truth. 

    And no attempts by them to get us to 'move on, going forward' will succeed.

     

  58. John Clark 24th December 2019 at 02:00

    We're sitting in a car with a broken engine – it's going nowwhere bar the scrappies . Looks good on the outside , though . Can't move forward until it's fixed . Thanks for your company , spleen vented !

  59. Good to be back posting again after a few days with login problems on three different browsers and my phone.  Thanks to Big Pink for his help.

    I've been keeping myself amused by following the twitter discussion about the 2011/12 licence between Auldheid, Fanswithoutscarves and steerpike/lawman/jasboyd or whatever handle he uses these days.

    As ever with steerpike (et al), all he seems interested in is taking the discussion down to the minutia of the licensing procedures to find some ambiguity in wording that supports his position, while ignoring the weight of evidence against his argument. He does accept that Rangers "probably" lied at the monitoring points, but for some reason that all seems perfectly fine by him, most likely because it can be blamed on Craig Whyte. He's still arguing that the grant of the licence following the March 11 submission was all hunky dory and above board, though. The discussion, like all similar ones before, will ultimately end up going round in circles, with no chance of anyone changing their entrenched views.  

  60. UEFA appears to have come down on the side of "continuity Rangers" in their financial distribution for the Europa League last season, details of which were published at the end of last week.

    https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/63/74/66/2637466_DOWNLOAD.pdf

    TRFC received €857,160 for its coefficient which is based on the last 10 years UEFA performance plus any historic trophy wins and is probably three or four times as much as the "new Rangers" would have received based on its own record.

    For comparison, Celtic earned €2,285,760 for its coefficient element. 

    The above is not unexpected, as UEFA appear to accept "new clubs" as "continuity clubs" if they play in the same stadium, colours etc.  If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sings the same songs as a duck then it’s probably a clone.

     

  61. easyJambo 24th December 2019 at 12:25 UEFA appears to have come down on the side of "continuity Rangers" in their financial distribution for the Europa League last season, details of which were published at the end of last week. https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/63/74/66/2637466_DOWNLOAD.pdf TRFC received €857,160 for its coefficient which is based on the last 10 years UEFA performance plus any historic trophy wins and is probably three or four times as much as the "new Rangers" would have received based on its own record. For comparison, Celtic earned €2,285,760 for its coefficient element. The above is not unexpected, as UEFA appear to accept "new clubs" as "continuity clubs" if they play in the same stadium, colours etc. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sings the same songs as a duck then it’s probably a clone.

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    'Clone Rangers'. Seems to have a certain ring to it, EJ. No longer 'bears', then, more a case of 'Dollys' (the Sheep).

    TRFC does kind of fit in this following definition of 'clone':

    'NOUN 

    biology an organism or cell, or group of organisms or cells, produced asexually* from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical.'

    The bit in italics seems rather apt. Think about it. They took the DNA (assets) of RFC, and that included a good helping of the original bigotry, along with the gene that produces an acceptance of cheating and lying and expectation of privilege and aid from football's governance, added a 'The' and hey presto…football's equivalent of Dolly the Sheep.

    *not so sure about the asexually bit, though, for they certainly f…ed Scottish football.

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